Posts by sparky1

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

"We consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world...will be accomplished near the end of AD1915" - Pastor Russell quote from THE TIME IS AT HAND 1889 edition

truth noun

1 a (1) : the body of real things, events, and facts. (ACTUALITY) - Merriam_Webster online dictionary

What is the opposite or an antonym of the word TRUTH? It is the word LIE!

I would have given Pastor Russell a pass on this if he had said 'it is my opinion that such and such will happen by 1915'. Then I could 'swallow' the claim that he was 'just wrong' in what he believed. But he did not and rather claimed that his theological pontifications were truth. The events and facts of history proved this teaching to be a lie as nothing even close to what he claimed came true. His motivations, beliefs or sincerity do not enter into this. I am not claiming, nor have I ever claimed that Pastor Russell lied on purpose in order to deceive his followers. I am making the claim that the strictest meaning of the word lie that I have posted above applies to many of his teachings. And in the strictest sense of the word as I have pointed out above, he technically was a charlatan.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

I NEVER said that Pastor Russell consciously lied or made a false representation on purpose. In fact, I never called him a liar. I stated that he propagated lies. You may want to reread my post on the word lie. I quoted Merriam-Webster's online dictionary as follows:

lie noun (2)

1 b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer.

Pastor Russell sincerely believed the religious phantasies that he taught. Many of his theological pontifications turned out to be lies. History has proven that the charlatan Pastor Russell was teaching lies because the statements that he made about 1915 and earthly governments never came true.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

Anastasia, since you are interested in the legal ramifications of calling someone a charlatan, I thought that I might provide for you the legal definition of such:

Charlatan. One who pretends to more knowledge or skill than he possesses; a quack; a faker. - BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY page 213 edition of 1979

"True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty-six years all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God will be accomplished near the end of AD1915." - Study IV The Times Of The Gentiles in the publication THE TIME IS AT HAND 1889 edition written by Pastor Russell

Since these direct statement never came true and the governments of the earth have not been dissolved, in the legal sense it would seem that Pastor Russell was indeed a CHARLATAN.

Since what he prophesied did not come true, he was also propagating LIES; albeit not in the strictest legal sense.

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Article: Fresno, California JW elder sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl

by AndersonsInfo in

subject: fresno, ca jw elder sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl sept. 20, 2019 https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article235306577.html.

fresno, ca church elder makes plea deal in sex abuse case | the fresno bee.

a 45-year-old fresno man, who worked as a police dispatcher in madera, pleaded no contest on friday to charges he sexually assaulted a 17-year-old girl from his church.

sparky1

Oh my! Not to be flippant or disrespect the victim but here we go again. The Holy Spirit somehow manages to elevate another pervert to the office of Overseer. When will the average Jehovah's Witness congregant see through this charade and withdraw their support from this farcical religion?

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

"You still mis-define Charlatan."- Anastasia

No he doesn't.

charlatan noun

2 : one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability - Merriam-Webster online dictionary

Pastor Russell wrote thousands of articles, magazines, books, tracts, etc., etc., in order to bring to 'ignorant mankind' his amalgamated and contrived version of biblical truth so as to point them to the way of salvation as he saw it. His sincerity does not preclude him being a charlatan.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

lie noun (2)

1b: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer.- Merriam-Webster online dictionary

You are correct. Words matter. Sincere or not PASTOR RUSSELL TAUGHT LIES.

"I'm just telling you that your terms are wrong, grammatically speaking." Your statement is factually incorrect; however I don't have the formal education to conjure up a Latin phrase to buttress my position.

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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?

by nowwhat? in

just wondering hate to give the devil his due.

sparky1

"Russell believed what he taught." So what? Sincerity of character doesn't make the lies that he taught any more palpable or acceptable. As a young boy, I knew two people that had association with him; they thought he was the most kindly and humble person that they had ever met. Pastor Russell is one link in a progressive chain of god deluded religious fanatics trying to save the world as self appointed do-gooders. (My opinion of Russell in no way is a critique of your mothers work)

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Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

thought this might be interesting for those considering leaving watchtower religion .

https://youtu.be/pjoor9e77g8.

sparky1

LongHairGal, I am glad that you never listened to the 'nonsense' spouted by arrogant and ignorant Witnesses in regards to financial matters. I semi-retired at 47 years old and still will qualify for social security at 85% of the MAXIMUM benefit when I turn 66 years old and I have a very decent investment portfolio. My ex-Pioneer partner came from a well to do and prominent Witness family. He has been an Elder since about 1980, pioneered off and on and served as a substitute Circuit Overseer. He and his wife subsist on a meager social security, have taken a foster child into their home for the money and just took out a mortgage on their home for money to live on. 'They reap what they sow' and 'they already have had their reward in full' in this life as far as I am concerned.

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We pray for the governing body

by StephaneLaliberte in

since when has it become cool to pray for the gb?

i noticed that at the begining of my fade back in 2015, it had already been there for a good while and was already getting on my nerves.

i means, i grew up in it, but can't remember much further than the 90s and i don't remember this being always in the payers.

sparky1

"We pray for the Governing Body." - StephaneLaliberte

Well the Bible does say at Matthew 5:44 to...'pray for those persecuting you.'

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Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

thought this might be interesting for those considering leaving watchtower religion .

https://youtu.be/pjoor9e77g8.

sparky1

Thanks Van. A nice little reminder. I got a kick out of Derek. He is 32 years old and was told he would never finish high school. Funny, I am 64 years old...twice his age and I was told that I would never finish elementary school, then high school, then Armageddon was going to come while I was in Bethel and then before the end of the 20th century. It's amazing to me how this thought process is transferred from generation to generation of Witnesses and no one questions it's validity. I had major doubts before my baptism in the early 70's and spoke to two members of the 'committee' at the time. Both assured me that Armageddon was only a few years away and that I should forget about my doubts and put Jehovah first in my life. I was told that all my doubts would be answered in just a few short years and then we would all be in the 'New System'. One of the Elders that told me this died in 1975 and the other Elder died a few weeks ago at 87 years of age. It won't be too long and I'll be dead, also. The three of us 'never will have gotten out alive'