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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Do you honestly think that a planet this size will have a perfectly consistent temperature?

  No. The planet is in a period of warming. We are moving out of an ice age towards a greenhouse age. This cycle has occured many times in recent Earth history. Do you believe that humans have no effect on this cycle? Global temp closely tracks CO2 levels

  And still no comment from the global warming apologists.... Isn't that amazing?

  Another ad hominem attack. I was on vacation.

  the transition to religion takes place when a person who is ignorant of the actual science not only believes alarming claims that he or she does not understand, but when that individual wants to believe these claims.

  This is true. CB, how do you explain the correlation between CO2 levels and global temp?

  I'm well aware the Earth will probably enter another Ice Age in perhaps as little as 15,000 years. However in the short term the Earth in warming up. We are in a cycle moving from Ice Age to Greenhouse Age. Humans are helping it along.

  Here is a great CBC documentary on the subject.

  http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/media/denial.wmv
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Brent, the adoption of the Montreal Protocol led to phasing out of substances responsible for ozone depletion. Since the adoption of the protocol these substances have leveled off and are beginning to decline in the atmosphere. Current projections indicate a recovery of ozone in the atmosphere to 1980 levels by 2050-2070.
  
  The international community did the science, identified a solution, and now we are seeing the positive results.
  
  It wasn't a hoax.
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  mkr, your post is the best post I've seen here yet. The Earth is warming, case closed. That science is settled.
  
  coffee black, i'm curious why you think xjw's who believe the Earth's climate is changing, based on conclusions reached by many climatologists that have analyzed the massive amounts of data available today, are similar to cultists. Which of the 4 basic categories of cult behavior do you see in action? It seems like an ad hominem attack attempting to discredit those who have examined the evidence for themselves and reached a conclusion.
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  Interesting article about religion

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  http://www.religioustolerance.org/reltrue.htm .

  happened across this article and thought it was really neat.

  sheri.

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  "Imagine the results if more people accepted their religion as the best faith for them, but at the same time recognized that there are other religions which teach about other deities, other systems of morality, other religious practices, etc. Yet almost all of them motivate people to lead better lives. There might be fewer people willing to defend their particular religion by oppressing or killing followers of other religions and spiritual paths."
  
  I think this is fantastic. Personally, I am an atheist. I still recognize the value of religious belief in others. I also find much beauty in some of the major religious world traditions. As long as someone is not attempting to impose those beliefs on others they are ok with me.
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Having an open mind and a strong opinion based on scientific evidence are not mutually exclusive.
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  Decide for yourselves - IPCC and US Senate Climate Reports

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  http://www.ipcc.ch/ (un ipcc report, nov 17, 2997) .

  http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?fuseaction=minority.senatereport (us senate report) .

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  http://www.ipcc.ch/ (UN IPCC Report, Nov 17, 2997)
  
  http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport (US Senate Report)
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  CB, please stop the personal attacks. Aside from one post that is all I have seen from you. Yes I know who Kurzweil is. For some reason you need to continue to assume I don't.
  
  I trust that those reading this thread or trying to decide what to believe can do by comparing the latest UN IPCC report with the US Senate EPW report of Dec 21st.
  
  http://www.ipcc.ch/ (UN IPCC Report, Nov 17, 2997)
  
  http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport (US Senate Report)
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Yes BTS, physics and geology majors are not climatologists. There might be some overlap but that is irrelevant. One needs to consult to specialists in a field.
  
  Yes, I know who 'legendary' Kurzweil is. He is a futurist. Labeling him as legendary in a Senate report smacks of desperation.
  
  I read the report because I have an open mind, not to discredit it.
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Some of the 'science' refuting climate change. I stopped reading the EPW Senate Minority site after this graph.
  
  http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Images.View&File_id=75d62e6f-802a-23ad-47ac-e995a95082c7&ImageGallery_id=04bf1b76-802a-23ad-438b-dec552db7c92
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  Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

  by mavie in

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  the science is settled.

  special interests do not want you to think that it is.

  "in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

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  Mommy!!! He moving across to MY side of the backseat!!! Stop him now!!!
  
  Look at some of the scientists in the latest Senate minority report...
  
  Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired Vice-Chancellor and President, University of Canberra, Australia
  
  Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
  
  Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former Dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
  
  Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
  
  Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut, U.S.
  
  Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University
  
  Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.
  
  Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont.
  
  Legendary inventor Ray Kurzweil, described as "an inventor whose work in artificial intelligence has dazzled technological sophisticates for four decades"
  
  LOL! Is this for real? "Legendary" in a Senate report?
  
  I prefer to get my climate science from climatologists.