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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

Question: "Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?"

David Semonian, spokesman for the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses,admitted the group sometimes looks at the website "when necessary." He also said it attempts to "readjust(the) thinking " of those who post material critical of the religion on the web."

1) a spokesperson for JW's admits the group looks at the website. note: he does not say that they have a third party look, he states that "the group sometimes looks at the website.."

2) "when necessary" does this mean every day? no, it means "when necessary," which leads anyone (well anyone with a brain) to believe that this is most likely when scandals are possible......

3)"He also said it attempts to "readjust the thinking" of those who post material critical of the religion on the web." How in the world is the WTS going to "readjust the thinking" of those that post on the web , unless, the WTS monitors the fricking thing!!!!!!

Answer: In light of the material presented, I would have to agree with you Quotes, and Path, the WTS does not monitor websites, they only admit to it...........

Edited by - deddaisy on 12 June 2002 19:23:36

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WTS largest recipient of aid in India

by Dogpatch in

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i just received this in the email:.

i was just researching .

the net and i came across this link.

deddaisy

jesus, they weren't kidding when they said "low level paralegals................"

you have to be the bottom of the barrel, xjw................

Edited by - deddaisy on 12 June 2002 16:10:56

Edited by - deddaisy on 12 June 2002 19:41:35

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We Need Money

by Sam Beli in

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francois said in another thread: this will take some organization and some money.

he was talking about this need in order to start an effort aimed toward holding conventions.

he called them apost-0-conventions.

deddaisy

I agree 100% Sam, ex-JWs would be a force to be reckoned with if they were organized.....

how do you really "focus" this many energies on the same direction when they're all on keyboards across the globe? Still, the possibilities are awesome.........

IMHO, it will take a lot more than money, though tons of money never hurts.......but it would take a lot of determination and joined effort......perhaps you should start a "sign-up" sheet of those that would be willing to contribute a small amount for say, 6 months, to see how it went......if you got enough names.........it would be difficult though unless willing posters knew that they weren't going to be the only ones contributing......

I think there are many, many posters here that would contribute if they trusted it was a group effort and were comfortable with the way it was being handled.....there are a lot of strong, passionate people here, I haven't been here long and I've already seen that.....I wouldn't sell them short.....

forgot to add that if you did start a "combat the WTS" list of prospective contributors, you could let them know that they would be no under no obligation to contribute unless the "list" had a minimum of say, 500 signers, at 10 or 20 bucks a month for six months......this way people would know when signing their name that there were going to be at least 499 (or however many) other posters contributing in a concerted effort.....then if enough posters signed, at the end of the 6 months these posters could vote on where they wanted the money to go........

just a thought, a "chain" contribution thread might be cool though......especially if it was going to help someone like shunned father....this man is being literally beat down....

Edited by - deddaisy on 11 June 2002 2:9:6

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WALSH CASE - Court Transcripts.

by nicolaou in

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particularly for anyone who's read either of ray franz' books, the walsh case in scotland, 1954 is well known.

for anyone who's unfamiliar with it, i've reproduced an important section below.. the reason for this post is to let you all know that you can actually purchase a copy of the original transcript - not cheap though!.

microfiche copy 35-40. photocopy 180.00. you may obtain a copy from:.

deddaisy

nic, thank you for posting that........I had never heard of the "Walsh" case, very insightful......

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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

hey dutchie, in that case, maybe we're both right.....

but I just can't see an "outside" firm taking the time to have someone "trained" to monitor ex-JW forums.......I mean if "legal" has any JWs whatsoever, why wouldn't they just get information from them? Certainly as WTS's "legal dept.," they would be bound to confidentiality anyway......

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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

hi dutchie,

"She worked for the Society and was privy to lots of inside information and through this information she began to see the truth about the "truth."

sounds like Franz, ......do you believe that barbara anderson is the only one that was privy to inside information? the large percent keep their mouths shut because they quiver in their boots at the thought of the big "D." Like living a lie is a better option.....

of course, this too is only my opinion on who does the monitoring, and you may be right. We do know that it is monitored, and like people here have commented, it really doesn't matter, except of course to those involved in legal battles with the WTS, and those with damaging information.

I still believe that they "post," and that an outsider does not have enough background to divert issues and attempt to "readjust (the) thinking" of those familiar with the religion......(lurkers included)

and look at Franz, that fiasco didn't curb them from putting JWs in positions with access to confidential information.........they don't care, if their little "yes men" get too independent, they just df them and label them apostates. Who would listen to apostates?

do you know if the "legal dept." is comprised of JWs?

Edited by - deddaisy on 10 June 2002 21:36:18

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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

hi dutchie, I posted my last comment before I saw yours.....as for non-JWs monitoring, you said:

"A monitor could undergo training just like any other job so that he would know what to look for,.....congregations, states, countries......"

yes that's true, and may very well be.....a person that has never been around drugs could also be trained to work undercover busting crackhouses.....but why would you bother going to all the bother of "training" a "green" person when you have tons of "experienced" people that will most likely do it for free? I mean, "they'd be doing Jehovah's work......." anyway, can you imagine the "training?" It takes JWs years of brainwashing before they understand "hovie" talk.......and who would provide this training?

there would be no better person to trust with "apostate" information than a devout JW.....we all know you could wave the original paperwork from the U.N. under their noses and it would be nothing more than "apostate" trickery.....an outsider couldn't be trained to think like a JW..........besides that, I believe that the monitors "post," and only a JW could manage "damage control..."

I don't think they care about congregations.....I think they're interested in obtaining info on possible defenses and possible scandals.

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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

I just have to add this comment to the Watchtower Society's monitoring "yes- men,"

Your spokesman, Semonian, said:

"You'd calmly discuss it together so you can bring them back to their senses."

Isn't this a pre-determination on your part that this "member's" concern holds no validity, that his question is one of irrationality and pre-determined by you, to be without merit? Why bother "discussing" a member's "concern" if you've already determined that they need to be "brought back to their senses," before you've even heard what they have to say?

take your condescending self-righteousness and shove it...........

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Does Watchtower Society monitor this board?

by Quotes in

i've seen it mentioned many times in many threads: "the society monitors jwd, don't post anything you don't want them to know etc.

i have even made that point myself in the past.. my question is this: does the wtbts monitor this discussion board?.

or have we all been propagating our own xjw urban myth?.

deddaisy

what difference does it make if the monitoring is done on a "daily" basis, a "weekly" basis, or on a "as-needed" basis? It's not as if the information here disappears at the end of the day.......

again, a quote from Semonian, WTS spokesman in the above thread:

"...to 'readjust (the) thinking of those who post material critical of the religion on the web." "'This iswhat the Bible directs,' Semonian said 'If someone is causing dissension, we would meet with them--two elders (congregation leaders) usually--and discuss the matter. If indeed, he were causing dissension as the book of Eccliesiastes describes it, we'd readjust the man in a spirit of mildness. You'd calmly discuss it together so you can bring them back to their senses." (Emphasis added)

the Bible directs the WTS to "readjust the thinking" of critical posters on the web?...... when reading this article, you have to ask yourself, "how exactly would they "discuss" a matter with a anonymous poster?

Semonian then goes on to say that "they wouldn't disfellowship, they want to keep their members," or something to that effect......since when are "posters" on an apostate website members that the WTS is concerned with keeping?

as for a "non JW" monitoring....how helpful would this be?

Path, you mention that a paralegal could find a better job than the WTS.....of course they could, and most men could make better money than they do working for WT's printing press.......what's your point?...I thought you read the article, you were commenting on it........

Edited by - deddaisy on 10 June 2002 13:39:52

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I went to a Unitarian church today

by crownboy in

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(wow, simon, did you steal microsoft word software or something?

well, today i did something that in most years past i would have believed would have resulted in me being struck by lightning; i attended a religious service other than the jw's.

this is the first time i've ever been to another religious service.

deddaisy

I did a paper on "Unitarian-Universalists" in a comparative religion class and I was so impressed by the "thinking" done by its members, that I also ended up attending.....

the oral paper done on the JWs (in class) was also very impressive, I have to admit. The speaker went on about the low divorce rate, low criminal rate, on and on about how wonderful this religion was......I wondered where he got his information because I have to admit, the religion sounded like one that you'd want to part of.....I finally asked his partner where they had found their information, I should've known, he was a witness...... I'll betcha he counted it as "service time...."

Edited by - deddaisy on 10 June 2002 11:13:39