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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
Also the Watchtower Society say avoid the 'apostates' and their 'sites'.
Your welcome here but if your such a dedicated witness why are you here?
Do you believe they are 100% right?
If yes...why UN, 607 and many blunders? Surely God is ahead of them...not the other way around. If God is ahead, he'd reveal enough but not anything confusing. Surely new light would ADD to what you have, not change it.
If no...how can they be God's org?
Answers are in the bible!
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
It appears that you don't like anyone else voicing what has already been written by 'god's org'.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VOICING YOUR OPINION AND INSULTING < PATRONISING< RIDICULING< BEING INTENTUALLLY CRUEL<etc........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
jw,.
i realize it is impossible to expect that no one will post to this thread, and most threads don't survive more than a page or two before becoming sidetracked, but perhaps you and i can discuss whatever is on your mind in an "intelligent" manner in this thread.
maybe we could begin by requesting that this area be fairly undisturbed and at least that any additional posts to this thread outside of our discussion be of a statement nature and not distracting from the point by asking side-questions or hurling ad hominem.. first though, i would like some sense of what you consider to be an intelligent way to discuss issues.. can we agree to try and avoid logical fallacies and argue only points we each feel competent to address independently?
In 1 Corinthians 12:1-5, third heaven is called paradise.
1 Corinthians 12:1 | peri <4012> de <1161> twn <3588> {BUT CONCERNING} pneumatikwn <4152> {SPIRITUALS,} adelfoi <80> {BRETHREN,} ou <3756> qelw <2309> (5719) {I DO NOT WISH} umaV <5209> {YOU} agnoein <50> (5721) {TO BE IGNORANT.} 1 Corinthians 12:2 oidate <1492> (5758) {YE KNOW} oti <3754> {THAT} eqnh <1484> {GENTILES} hte <2258> (5713) {YE WERE,} proV <4314> ta <3588> {TO} eidwla <1497> ta <3588> {IDOLS} afwna <880> {DUMB} wV <5613> {AS} an <302> hgesqe <71> (5712) {YE MIGHT BE LED,} apagomenoi <520> (5746) {LED AWAY.} 1 Corinthians 12:3 dio <1352> {THEREFORE} gnwrizw <1107> (5719) {I GIVE TO KNOW} umin <5213> {YOU,} oti <3754> {THAT} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} en <1722> {IN [THE]} pneumati <4151> {SPIRIT} qeou <2316> {OF GOD} lalwn <2980> (5723) {SPEAKING} legei <3004> (5719) {SAYS} anaqema <331> {ACCURSED [IS]} ihsoun <2424> {JESUS;} kai <2532> {AND} oudeiV <3762> {NO ONE} dunatai <1410> (5736) {CAN} eipein <2036> (5629) {SAY} kurion <2962> {LORD} ihsoun <2424> {JESUS,} ei <1487> mh <3361> {EXCEPT} en <1722> {IN [THE]} pneumati <4151> {SPIRIT} agiw <40> {HOLY.} 1 Corinthians 12:4 diaireseiV <1243> de <1161> {BUT DIVERSITIES} carismatwn <5486> {OF GIFTS} eisin <1526> (5748) {THERE ARE,} to <3588> de <1161> {BUT THE} auto <846> {SAME} pneuma <4151> {SPIRIT;} 1 Corinthians 12:5 kai <2532> {AND} diaireseiV <1243> {DIVERSITIES} diakoniwn <1248> {OF SERVICES} eisin <1526> (5748) {THERE ARE,} kai <2532> {AND} o <3588> {THE} autoV <846> {SAME} kurioV <2962> {LORD;} Where is the word paradise?
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
There is no attitude problem here. They are in the wrong, we are CLEARLY doing something right about it or the site wouldn't grow this quick and people like myself wouldn't join.
Then that is where I will have to agree to disagree.
The WTS is not in the wrong they just have some in the Organization that have gone wrong.
Just a few bad apples that is all.
Nothing that can not be made right.
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
Have you ever sang the lyric in the Watchtower song, I think it's "Walkin' In Integrity "I HATE the company, of those who truth despise"?
Actually , no!
Have you?
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
I just think the attitude ya'll have toward the wts and Jw's is wrong. And I just hope to voice my opinion regardless if it does any good or not.
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
Garybuss,
You left out one important factor, ( Hate the Deed , not the person is actually a biblical scripture. Wts did not fabricate it.
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if you have a need to hate the wts then so be it.. but don't hate all jw's, that is just wrong .. you preach that you have found truth, if that were the case then where is your love for all humans?.
but seem to have abandoned the thread which Auld Soul created for you
No I have not abandon it. I just don't get online everyday.
jw,.
i realize it is impossible to expect that no one will post to this thread, and most threads don't survive more than a page or two before becoming sidetracked, but perhaps you and i can discuss whatever is on your mind in an "intelligent" manner in this thread.
maybe we could begin by requesting that this area be fairly undisturbed and at least that any additional posts to this thread outside of our discussion be of a statement nature and not distracting from the point by asking side-questions or hurling ad hominem.. first though, i would like some sense of what you consider to be an intelligent way to discuss issues.. can we agree to try and avoid logical fallacies and argue only points we each feel competent to address independently?
I ran across a topic that asked where in the bible did it ever mention Paradise. So could not relocate it.
So thought would post answer here
43 kai <2532> {AND} eipen <2036> (5627) {SAID} autw <846> o <3588> {TO HIM} ihsouV <2424> {JESUS,} amhn <281> {VERILY} legw <3004> (5719) {I SAY} soi <4671> {TO THEE,} shmeron <4594> {TODAY} met <3326> {WITH} emou <1700> {ME} esh <2071> (5704) {THOU SHALT BE} en <1722> tw <3588> {IN} paradeisw <3857> {PARADISE.}
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jw,.
i realize it is impossible to expect that no one will post to this thread, and most threads don't survive more than a page or two before becoming sidetracked, but perhaps you and i can discuss whatever is on your mind in an "intelligent" manner in this thread.
maybe we could begin by requesting that this area be fairly undisturbed and at least that any additional posts to this thread outside of our discussion be of a statement nature and not distracting from the point by asking side-questions or hurling ad hominem.. first though, i would like some sense of what you consider to be an intelligent way to discuss issues.. can we agree to try and avoid logical fallacies and argue only points we each feel competent to address independently?
What do YOU believe the Governing Body teaches that has NOT been proven in the Bible?
1. the prophesy of the end of the world. Scriptures state no one will know when the end will come.
2. the shunning of family and enemies. Scriptures state teach your family the bible and guide them down that narrow path. Keep your enemies close to you.
3. Stealing is wrong. God allows the stealing of food if it is to be consume for hunger and eaten for that sole purpose.
4. scriptures in the NWT. Compared to the dead sea scrolls.
5. If you are a baptised jw and sin after baptism you fall from gods book of life. Scriptures state if you repent and do good you will gain 1 year of your life span year for 2 good deeds. However if you sin and do not do the good deeds you lose 2 years of your life span.
6. that the 144,000 are chosen . Scriptures reveal some of the 144,000 will fall from gods grace through sin and new ones will replace them from the earth.
too numerous to list all.
