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  Debunking the "great crowd" of "other sheep" concept - new video

  by Awakened at Gilead in

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  further research that i did in gilead that led me out of the borg.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sypppyso6ae.

  enjoy!.

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  "Apparently so" <- great one liner!

  Great video.
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  Convention-Assembly CONTRIBUTIONS, Elder Experience Required

  by V in

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  2. beliefs

  do you have experience as an elder and the contribution arrangement for assemblies or conventions?

  an upcoming watchtower comments video will be exposing the resolution arrangement that makes this a cash-cow for the society.. i am particularly interested in recent experience, including countries other than the us.. let's get our facts straight and explain the ever-present "deficit" once and for all.. v. [email protected] .

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  Do you have experience as an elder and the contribution arrangement for assemblies or conventions? An upcoming Watchtower Comments video will be exposing the resolution arrangement that makes this a cash-cow for the Society.

  I am particularly interested in recent experience, including countries other than the US.

  Let's get our facts straight and explain the ever-present "deficit" once and for all.

  V
  [email protected]
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  The Official What happened at the Memorial thread

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  i thought rather than everyone start their own topic relating their experience of attending the memorial, we keep it simple and have just one thread.

  if anything, it's saves bandwidth.. i will be going to the memorial tonight and will post my experiences afterwards.. all the other memorials i attended, i was an active jw, so this will be my first experience as a submarine witness.

  it's weird being on the other side so to speak.

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  undercover: Nice to see someone who tried that, almost did that myself last night.

  To all of the 'amused,' I go to most meetings. My life is too bizarre.

  Closing the freeminds.org poll soon. Current results:

  9986 partakers in 2008, how many for Memorial 2009?

  Increase: Over 10,000 (39.9%)

  WT stops reporting partakers (33.9%)

  Big Increase: Over 11,000 (12.6%)

  Same: about 9,900 (7.7%)

  Drop: less than 9,500 (6%)
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  Question about number of memorial partakers

  by TweetieBird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a kid (a long, long time ago) it seems like the number of "remnant" was around 8,000. at the memorial tonight, the brother kept bringing up the fact that last year there were only about 9,000+ (can't remember the exact number but it seemed closer to 10,000).

  what is the society's explanation for the number going up instead of down?

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  All time low in 2005. Partakers have been increasing ever since then. 2008 was the largest percentage increase (9.7%) since Jehovah's Witnesses began counting partakers in 1935!

  Video here:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skppA3KzWbk
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  I need technical help...Trying to get my Memorial DVD uploaded

  by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i went to the memorial and i recorded it.

  not the opening and closing songs and prayers, just the talk and the ritual refusal of the body of christ ceremony.

  i got t and it plays back on my camcorder.

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  You have a PM.
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  The Official What happened at the Memorial thread

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought rather than everyone start their own topic relating their experience of attending the memorial, we keep it simple and have just one thread.

  if anything, it's saves bandwidth.. i will be going to the memorial tonight and will post my experiences afterwards.. all the other memorials i attended, i was an active jw, so this will be my first experience as a submarine witness.

  it's weird being on the other side so to speak.

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  Quick report:

  Same outline as previous years.

  Made a point of mentioning the exact 2008 partaker count as comparison to the millions who did not partake, of course no mention that partakers increased almost 10% over 2007.

  Enjoyed the ceremony of passing the wine/bread to the speaker, then the speaker has to pass the emblems back to the attendants (who have been passing the plates and cups for 10 minutes already). Why the formality?

  Had an a-ha! moment. What if you, not of the "anointed," were sitting at the end of an aisle. Could you just refuse to handle the emblems and let the person next to you ritually relay them back to the attendant? You are not partaking, you are just "respectfully observing" according to the WT.

  Basically: why do any with the earthly hope have to touch the emblems at all? Especially the speaker or persons standing in the hall.
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  The Official What happened at the Memorial thread

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought rather than everyone start their own topic relating their experience of attending the memorial, we keep it simple and have just one thread.

  if anything, it's saves bandwidth.. i will be going to the memorial tonight and will post my experiences afterwards.. all the other memorials i attended, i was an active jw, so this will be my first experience as a submarine witness.

  it's weird being on the other side so to speak.

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  I'll let you know...

  www.watchtowercomments.com

  Nibble and sip!
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  Earthly resurrection for those dying between 33CE and 1935CE?

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in v's latest video, he quotes from the 2/12 1982 watchtower which states on page 30:.

  for 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his son to make up the kingdom government.

  many would be invited but only a precious few chosen.. in effect, wt doctrine states that between 33ce and 1935ce, if you didn't get a heavenly resurrection, there's no hope of an earthly one?.

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  Thanks Leolaia. In all my research I cannot find anything explicit, but that certainly infers that.

  Is this a discrepancy? Obviously I am basing my dogmatic attitude on the cut and dry quote from the 1982 WT, but I am open to argument.

  I think a another video is in order.
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  Earthly resurrection for those dying between 33CE and 1935CE?

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in v's latest video, he quotes from the 2/12 1982 watchtower which states on page 30:.

  for 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his son to make up the kingdom government.

  many would be invited but only a precious few chosen.. in effect, wt doctrine states that between 33ce and 1935ce, if you didn't get a heavenly resurrection, there's no hope of an earthly one?.

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  This reaction is interesting. I see it all the time in active JWs. They have an "impression" of what they believe, often contradicted by specific quotes in the WT, yet they continue on in their personal fantasy.

  The concept of Gehenna and permanent death is applicable only to the period before Jesus death, and beginning in the 20th century and beyond. Prove me wrong.

  From 33 AD to 1914 the only hope was heavenly. Period.
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  Earthly resurrection for those dying between 33CE and 1935CE?

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in v's latest video, he quotes from the 2/12 1982 watchtower which states on page 30:.

  for 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his son to make up the kingdom government.

  many would be invited but only a precious few chosen.. in effect, wt doctrine states that between 33ce and 1935ce, if you didn't get a heavenly resurrection, there's no hope of an earthly one?.

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  "For 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one." -WT 2/15/1982 page 30, par. 14

  Smack down.