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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

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  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  Hi Sacchiel,
  
  I don't think one could say that "the majority of stars are approximately 80% less the mass of ours". It would mean that more than 50% of the stars are approximately 80% less the mass of the sun. But we have absolutely no idea how many stars there are in the universe. We are only able to see a very small fraction of the universe even with a sophisticated equipment.
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  "Even when presented with facts, I've seen individuals cling to arrogant beliefs."
  Admitting one's misconceptions requires an ounce of wisdom that many people seem deprived of.
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  This site does give you fair warning

  by free2beme in

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  yesterday, my active witness mother called me.

  we talk all the time, and since she knows i am wiccan and do not consider myself christian and am against the witnesses.

  she never brings it up, so that we can have a censored relationship.

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  free2beme,
  I really admire you for keeping your cool in such a situation. I'm not sure I would have been able to hear that with composure.
  Dave T
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and *subdue* it, and have in *subjection* the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."
  Human arrogance is definitely not new...
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  Music you chucked out when you were a JW.

  by lowden in

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  it made me think, reading comments on carpenters thread....... what music did you throw out when you were a witness??.

  i got rid of all my led zeppelin (satanic backtracking and all that baloney).

  all my deep purple.

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  Mariposa, "Killing in the Name of" is on the record by Rage Against The Machine called "Rage Against The Machine". Very meaningful lyrics. Dave T
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  Music you chucked out when you were a JW.

  by lowden in

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  it made me think, reading comments on carpenters thread....... what music did you throw out when you were a witness??.

  i got rid of all my led zeppelin (satanic backtracking and all that baloney).

  all my deep purple.

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  I've never thrown away any of my records but some disappeared and never were found again.
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  I just discovered Guns n' Roses

  by thecarpenter in

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  i just discovered how good guns n' roses are.

  i was listening to a bunch of their songs and i can't believe they wrote so many good songs.

  i was a quite a head banger before i became a witness and after joining i avoided a lot of heavy metal rock and a lot of worldly music in general.

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  I don't know Lawn Mower Death, Seether and Trivium (shame on me!). Nirvana's Nevermind was my favorite one when I was a teenager. Got me a lot of problem in the congregation. The word "nivana" had a tendency to make them nervous. I like all the Guns n' Roses records of the Slash era. Nick Cave and the Bad Seed. Metallica is great even though their last records have a very different flavor. Radiohead: I looove The Bends. What a great band! I don't know if there are many people like me and diamondblue in this forum, but once in while I have to play a CD and let the music wash through me. To me it's like breathing.
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  my daughter leaves for the ARMY thursday

  by purplesofa in

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  i have four sons and my youngest is a daughter.. she leaves for the army on thursday.

  i am in a state of panic and emotion to try to convince her to not go.. i just heard on tv that becuase of the rising violence in bahgdad, bush is sending more troops to iraq.

  the developments in isreal and lebanon only seem to be escalating.......the un asking britian and us for help but because of prior commitments......(iraq) are unable.

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  I'm sorry for what you're going through, purplesofa. If my kid made such a decision, I would not agree with her too but the law acknowledges her right to make such a bad decision. I think we all make mistakes when we are that young and I think it's probably necessary for our own psychological maturation. She probably needs to make her own decisions. I think they will probably not send her to very dangerous places because she's a girl (most men in the military hierarchy wouldn't want to see their daughter on a battlefield). But don't tell her that because she would not appreciate it. She probably wants to show that she can do typically "manly" things like fight in wars. Besides I think we're still pretty far from a "World War III" (in spite of what certain people in this forum think and seem to wish for - especially those who think they can't be drafted...). Try and understand her reasons. If you can't make up her mind, tell her that you don't agree with her but that you respect her right to make such a decision (the hardest part of a mother's duty). Your daughter is probably a great kid and she will probably come back to her senses. When she does, this experience might well be a way to learn and attain a greater psychological maturity.
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  I just discovered Guns n' Roses

  by thecarpenter in

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  i just discovered how good guns n' roses are.

  i was listening to a bunch of their songs and i can't believe they wrote so many good songs.

  i was a quite a head banger before i became a witness and after joining i avoided a lot of heavy metal rock and a lot of worldly music in general.

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  Gee, I remember arguing like forever with the elders and my parents about the music I listened to and played. To me music has always been one of the most important things. When other saved money to buy a car, I saved it to buy a guitar. No need to say I was kind of a black sheep in the congregation. Thinking about that reminds me how glad that I am not in J-dubism anymore. (sorry if I drifted off the topic) The Guns n' Roses rock!!! The Red Hot Chili Peppers too. I especially like "Blood Sugar Sex Magic" and "Stadium Arcadium" (even though there's not one of their records I don't like...)
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and beards

  by Dave_T in

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  when i was a jw, i don't remember having read in the watchtower literature a rule explicitely forbidding to be bearded.

  the pictures depicting "faithful witnesses" of the past (abraham, job,, moses, the apostles, etc.

  ) always show bearded men.

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  Funny how elders can create their own additional rules based on what they regard as possible stumbling causes.