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  To kill an American

  by LovesDubs in

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  i really thought this was poignant.. .

  written by an australian dentist....and too good to delete..... .

  to kill an american.

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  Dave_T

  Lola,
  Don't feel ashamed for what they did. Feel shocked, sad or disgusted but not ashamed: they have nothing in common with you. Like I said, they are monsters. But you are a person. And judging by your reaction to what they did (and other monsters who did even worse), I'd say you are a good person.
  Dave
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  To kill an American

  by LovesDubs in

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  i really thought this was poignant.. .

  written by an australian dentist....and too good to delete..... .

  to kill an american.

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  Dave_T

  Warlock,
  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
  Dave
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  To kill an American

  by LovesDubs in

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  i really thought this was poignant.. .

  written by an australian dentist....and too good to delete..... .

  to kill an american.

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  Dave_T

  Warlock,
  Take a deep breath and calm down. I don't see which part of my post aroused your susceptibility (maybe the anti-nationalist part). I never said that only Americans committed atrocities, did I? Only stupid people think that way. I am disgusted everytime I hear about cruelty. I am so disgusted that I have not watched the news on TV for about 4 years!!! (I read newspapers instead: less graphic). Do you think I wasn't shocked to see people die in the WTC? Do you think I wasn't shocked by the beheadings? I wish those things had not happened. I feel for people who suffer like most people hopefully. But I don't feel personally attacked when Frenchmen are kidnapped in the Middle-East or when Frenchmen are killed. The aversion is as intense as it would be if the victims were German, American, Polish, etc.
  I am anti-nationalist but I am not anti-American. Only stupid people are anti-American or anti-French or Anti-Irish, etc. Only stupid people judge others based on their nationalities. The guys on the pictures were convicted: good. No other American is accountable for what they did. Do some of you feel ashamed for what these monsters did? You shouldn't. As you shouldn't be proud that the first man to set foot on the moon was American. Only the people who directly commit atrocities should feel ashamed. Terrorists should be ashamed of themselves because even though sometimes they have good reasons to be angry, they strike innocents.
  Warlock, no nation is clean and pure as the driven snow. Every nation has disgraced itself many times. I just wish I didn't have to hear nationalist propaganda again. While I am aggravated by French nationalist propaganda, I am also exasperated by American nationalist propaganda when I am browsing an international discussion forum.
  Dave (a French citizen of Italian, Greek, German, Polish, Russian and AMERICAN descendancy)
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  To kill an American

  by LovesDubs in

  1. jw
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  i really thought this was poignant.. .

  written by an australian dentist....and too good to delete..... .

  to kill an american.

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  Dave_T

  You're right, Beachbender, and I hope that Kid didn't mean to say that the American are responsible for what is shown on these (disgusting) pictures. Having said that, I think that the American should try and understand that many (most?) non-American are irritated by this kind of mantra: "Americans are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit everywhere, is an American." It's the kind of message we've heard for decades in movies and this brain-washing stuff's getting pretty tiring. While I find it horrifying that someone published in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, please, understand that this kind of nationalist cliché cannot move a non-American to tears (even though there are exceptions) and tend to irritate non-Americans. No offense meant.
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

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  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  Hi Sacchiel,
  
  I don't think one could say that "the majority of stars are approximately 80% less the mass of ours". It would mean that more than 50% of the stars are approximately 80% less the mass of the sun. But we have absolutely no idea how many stars there are in the universe. We are only able to see a very small fraction of the universe even with a sophisticated equipment.
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

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  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  "Even when presented with facts, I've seen individuals cling to arrogant beliefs."
  Admitting one's misconceptions requires an ounce of wisdom that many people seem deprived of.
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  This site does give you fair warning

  by free2beme in

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  yesterday, my active witness mother called me.

  we talk all the time, and since she knows i am wiccan and do not consider myself christian and am against the witnesses.

  she never brings it up, so that we can have a censored relationship.

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  free2beme,
  I really admire you for keeping your cool in such a situation. I'm not sure I would have been able to hear that with composure.
  Dave T
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

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  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and *subdue* it, and have in *subjection* the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."
  Human arrogance is definitely not new...
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  Music you chucked out when you were a JW.

  by lowden in

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  it made me think, reading comments on carpenters thread....... what music did you throw out when you were a witness??.

  i got rid of all my led zeppelin (satanic backtracking and all that baloney).

  all my deep purple.

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  Mariposa, "Killing in the Name of" is on the record by Rage Against The Machine called "Rage Against The Machine". Very meaningful lyrics. Dave T
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  Music you chucked out when you were a JW.

  by lowden in

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  it made me think, reading comments on carpenters thread....... what music did you throw out when you were a witness??.

  i got rid of all my led zeppelin (satanic backtracking and all that baloney).

  all my deep purple.

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  Dave_T

  I've never thrown away any of my records but some disappeared and never were found again.