Posts by done4good

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if Ray FRanz dies will we learn more of what he knew?

by judge rutherFRAUD in

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i'm a big fan of mr. raymond franz and read both of his books a number of times.

does anyone here think maybe he didn't tell everything he knew.

for legal reasons and will expose more than he has told before , since the wts can't touch him after he dies.

done4good

I don't know if more information on the WT corp will be revealed from Ray or his direct "sources", but it is clear that Ray does not "tell" everything in his books. He, (understandably), avoids legally sensitive matters, and sticks to topics that would make a JW think twice, but the average person, (non-JW), would not bat an eye over. There is no way he could have dodged the corporation's legal arm for 30 years if he told everything. He tells enough for the average thinking person to connect the dots. The WT corporation knows that, and they leave him alone.

Ray was genuinely a good man, but he was "one" of them. He could only work within that status.

Jason

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Ray Franz has had a stroke

by coffee_black in

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just setting the record straight.

there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.

he is still alive.

done4good

Have not posted in a long time. This is very sad. Hope and pray Ray pulls through. If anyone speaks to Cynthia, please let her know she any Ray are in my thoughts and prayers.

Ray was a great help to me after my escape from the Borg.

Jason

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Talk by insane speaker ... try to listen ...

by Albert Einstein in

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if you are ready for everything... try to listen the talk by ciro aulicino you will be with me in paradise.. the fact, that jw are willing to listen such crap is a proof, they are all insane.

(i wanted to say "idoits", but decided to be polite...).

if you have good guts, sit down and go for it.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwa9kx5wjtm.

done4good

I'm speechless. How could anyone sit through that? I was done at 2:30.

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A POLL! How long did your "re-evaluation" take?

by Gayle in

from beginning to end, how long did it take you, when you first started your personal questioning and re-evaluating the watchtower organization and concluding that the wts was definitely not true?

my sister is asking this.

some of us (who left a couple decades ago - pre-internet) are saying it took about 10 years on average.

done4good

In three days, (the time it took to read CoC), but...

After 10 years of stuggling with doubts and concerns, I had a moment of clarity about a year before I read it, where I knew it was in all likelihood not the truth. I tried to "hang on", but just couldn't do it for long. I stopped attending meetings within 5 months.

CoC, (or any other other material, no matter how convincing), will not work unless someone is ready for the truth beforehand.

j

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My letter...

by yippyskippy007 in

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i'm new to this forum and am also sacolton's wife.

alot of you already know about me because he's talked about me on here before...even has posted pictures, at which he incurred my wrath upon my discovery.

anyways...i'm about to submit my letter of disassociation to my local congregation and i thought i would share it.

done4good

I wouldn't change a thing! Your candor and wit is priceless!!!

j

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Watchtower is kicking people out again, in the name of LOVE?

by Bethelite Elder in

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right now at bethel, they are laying off and reassigning again.

if you have cancer or some other illness, you are a liability and it's time to pack.

i remember the night when we had the special talk about there being a great need in the field and some would be sent out.

done4good

To clarify my previous post, organizations, (all of them), are only made up of people. They cannot be any better or worse than the individuals that make them up.

The WTS exists on the basis that its members have certain traits in common. Most, (but obviously, not all), Jehovah's Witnesses, have persecution, and victum complexes, and have difficulty, yes difficulty, thinking for themselves. They want someone else to do the thinking for them. It's not simply a matter of the WTS "needing" to control its members. It does this because, at a collective level, this is what its members want.

Until one begins to realize this, it will be impossible to understand where the real power in the WTS comes from. Its not the GB, or the elders, or COs, or any of that. It comes from the 7 million people who identify with what the organization stands for. Without them, there IS no WTS.

j

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Watchtower is kicking people out again, in the name of LOVE?

by Bethelite Elder in

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right now at bethel, they are laying off and reassigning again.

if you have cancer or some other illness, you are a liability and it's time to pack.

i remember the night when we had the special talk about there being a great need in the field and some would be sent out.

done4good

I know it's an unpopular opinon here, but Gary is spot on.

WTS is only as bad as it's people.

Wake up and get out.

This isn't about hate or prejudice, it's about personal responsibility.

Most ex-jws are no different than jws in this area.

j

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The cost of going undercover to help family and friends - Is it worth it?

by BonaFide in

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so all of you that are trying to help your family and friends as a disassociated person, or disfellowshipped, or sort-of-shunned.. what do you think about getting reinstated or reactivated to help them get out?.

the time invested would be two meetings a week, about 6 hours total including driving.

for those on the outside, you would have to get reinstated, so you would need 2-3 months of going to meetings making sure the elders see you and know your intention.. add field service in there.

done4good

That's the first post I have seen from Terry in a while, and a damn good one!

BF: Think about what he has posted. It's the truth.

j

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is it really worth trying to change their minds?

by homeschool in

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after reading steven hassan's book, i really believe the jw's are in a high mind control group, like so many other cult-like religions.

one point stuck out to me though....hassan said he will not do interventions if the purpose is selfishly motivated.

i don't know why, but it's made me question some things.

done4good

There is nothing wrong with planting "seeds", but it is she that has to want to see the Borg for what it is.

My experience tells me it is best to live a happy life yourself, and let those on the outside see the improvement having left the borg makes in your life.

When they are ready, they will come.

j

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Did being raised a JW retard your career or cost you BIG $$$?

by The Berean in

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i was offered a journalism scholarship at ohio state ... mom made me turn it down cause "armageddonwas near"... ended up a janitor!

.

done4good

I was one of the "lucky" ones, I suppose. Like most jws, I did not prepare for college, and found myself in a very dead end job post HS graduation. However, I had a good liberal jw friend, (very successful), insist I enroll in University, after that summer. I half-heartedly went, knowing truly I had no other choice. This was about a year before the WTS softened their views on higher ed, so I kept a low profile.

Three years later I finished by B.S. in Telecommunications, (took two full credit summers to finish early), and began my IT/Telecom career. It has served me well, I current am working as the lead engineer for NYC's 911 project, (the world's largest), with a very good salary, and relative security.

Yes, lucky. Many of my jw freinds did not fare nearly as well. The WTS society's views on higher ed DOES destroy people's lives.

j