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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses losing the War on Apostates

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  found this.

  http://jwalumni.org/2015/06/08/who-are-jehovahs-witnesses-september-watchtower/.

  by misha anouk on 8. june 2015 in news

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  How can any thinking person possibly accept such hubris??? The tone and content of the September 2007 KM has become the norm. Unbelievable!

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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

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  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  Doltologist - Try common bleedin' sense. Much underrated IMHO.

  The problem with that is common sense is a heuristic, or rule of thumb. It varies from person to person relative to what part of the world they live in, their upbringing, etc. No sense is truly "common".

  There are no short cuts. There are no three sentence or three volume reads a person could read or recite that would convince them in of itself, because of the preconditioned ideas one may already hold to. While it is true that no one is born with theistic belief, the problem is that such belief is usually taught very young in a person's life, and as such, becomes very foundational to the way a person thinks, and filters all other information through. Until they first learn to think critically, trying to undo that belief is likely a wasted effort. You can tell a theist that the burden of proof is on them all you want, (and be right), and still get nowhere. Ever wonder why? Re-read what I just wrote.
  

  My best recommendation would be to take a class in logic or critical thinking first, if someone really wanted to speed up the process. As a non-linear thinker, I tend to learn a bit differently than some, so through considering a lot of information about many subjects, I was able to draw an atheistic conclusion. Your mileage may vary, and who knows, you may come to the conclusion sooner.
  

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  Are they banning college again?

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  2. bible

  i wasn't alive for this but my parents and many old timers told me that at one point it was pretty much a rule that you couldn't go to college.

  some of you may remember that from that time.

  over time they relaxed that rule to that you did what you had to do in order to provide for yourself.

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  I think it started back that way with respect to higher ed around 2001. I left in late 2005, but things appear to have gone bat sh*t crazy since then.

  Could not imagine being JW today.
  

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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  done4good

  ...the thing that gives me pause in the can/cant prove God does exist argument, is that atheists are no happier than everyone else.

  That points to a false dichotomy. Happiness is independent of belief.
  

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  Education makes you leave God

  by FusionTheism in

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  quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

  higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

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  Generally speaking, the more fundamentalist, (i.e. black and white), a religion, the less educated and/or intelligent the membership. Religions that do manage to maintain an educated and intelligent base, only do so because they allow for a large amount of free thought. It is usually not too far a step from there to non-belief.

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  New Thought About Active J.W.'s

  by The Searcher in

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  from my own observations & conversations with selected active j.w.

  's, here are my conclusions:.

  's are very rapidly falling into two distinct camps -.

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  The group Frank mentions above is the largest group, IMO. However, the trend seems to be one of polarization from this group, to one of the other two.
  

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  The JOYS of being an EX-JW

  by nicolaou in

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  2. experiences

  add to the list and let's see the weekend out on a positive note!

  1. sunday mornings.

  alarm not set, cuddles with the mrs, tunes in the bedroom, coffee, bacon, another lazy coffee in the garden .

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  Thinking for myself. All else good, (or bad), stems from this. I will take it any day before being part of "the collective". And yes, it is virtually all good.
  

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  New Thought About Active J.W.'s

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
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  from my own observations & conversations with selected active j.w.

  's, here are my conclusions:.

  's are very rapidly falling into two distinct camps -.

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  done4good

  The second group is probably bigger than 20%. The problem is, the CD is affecting them such that, they appear to be of the first group. The zeal is their way of rationalizing away their doubts.

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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  done4good

  Second for The God Delusion. I read it in 2006, and it provided a good primer for at least helping me understand what atheism really is. I did not declare myself as such right there and then, however.

  Really, it was looking at several lines of evidence, including history, biology, physics, human psychology, etc. that convinced me no omnipotent god existed. This conclusion took about another 5 years to reach.

  My point is, a single book will not do it. Those with theistic upbringings, do not easily lose those tendencies toward belief, since certain existential anxieties often need to be dealt with first. This takes time. Those with fundamentalist upbringings, (such as JW), are much more susceptible to such anxieties, as religion and belief in god tend to have addictive properties, that can be difficult to break free from.

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  Education makes you leave God

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

  higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

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  done4good

  Higher education teaches you how to think, not what to think. Religions teach the opposite. Once a person knows how to think, it is only a matter of time and circumstance before they wake up and exit. It took me 11 years after graduation, but it happened.

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