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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  NG - Because the question is about a second party (elders) reporting. But regardless of whether it is mandatory or not, the victim/parents are free to report it whenever they want. Obviously.

  Obviously, you are either the most intellectually dishonest person I have come into contact with in some time, or the most naive, I am really not sure which. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it is the latter, so I will enlighten you a bit...
  

  IF the parents either go to the police first, or go after the elders have determined no two witnesses to the crime exist to allow for a JC, the parents will be DF for either "causing divisions", "slander", or some other such catch-all type infringement. If not actually DF, the parents will be put through hell by the elder body, and essentially forced out of the congregation to save face. This is a regular occurrence in almost every congregation, and is the entire root of the problem. The policies the organization holds to are designed to protect the organization at all costs, (human or otherwise). The policies are neither moral nor do they ultimately exist for the benefit of the congregation members. When it comes to the organization's interests vs. that of the well being of its human members, the organization wins every time. Believe it.

  Yes, the 7 men leading this mess in Brooklyn are both stupid and evil.

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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  In any case, there is nothing stopping elders reporting to the Legal Department and the police simultaneously if reporting is mandatory.

  You keep dodging the real issue. Why does reporting need to be "mandatory" for it to be done in the first place? If the JW system and bible are truly morally superior, this reporting in the interest of children's protection should be a given. Why does the WT only comply when required? Answer that and stop evading the real issue.
  

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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  I highly doubt that any rules that come about from this investigation will conflict with Bible principles.

  So why were those rules that won't conflict with "Bible principles" not applied by WT previously? Do the secular authorities really do a better job at applying those principles, or are you tacitly admitting the bible really has nothing to do with morality at all? Which is it?

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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  Yes they do however they could find a strategy that would keep this in play but allow them to be seen to improving the policy. If they (a) always report and (b) delay judicial action until the authorities have investigated then they put the ball in the secular court and can then act in response to whatever the authorities do.

  I really do think the GB have underestimated the impact of this and I am sure they are rapidly working out if they need to do something more proactive than simply sit put and do nothing whilst it blows over.

  It sounds good on paper, however they will never do it. Why? Because it would mean that the issue gets exposed within the congs, and we all know they cannot have that. While I would welcome that change, (it would benefit victims and future potential victims), the WT will go down stubbornly kicking and fighting this one. They are proving just how mind-boggingly stupid that they are. This is no time for them to be justifying why they handle things the way they have, but yet, that is precisely what they are doing.

  True believers are very dangerous people. Fact and reason simply does not prevail with them.
  

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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  done4good

  Btw, in keeping with the OP, I am very happy this sick, delusional, fundamentalist, backwards, extreme and hurtful organization is getting exposed for the liars they are.

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  Do you feel vindicated by the exposure of the WT Society in Australia? It seems like a feeding frenzy on here! I love it. You?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  are you pleased with the exposure of the society in australia?

  do you feel personally vindicated by it?

  do you think it gives you credibility with others now that all the things you said were going on, actually are documented?

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  done4good

  I have no doubts though that whatever the Australian Commission decides in the way of policies, recommendations and practices to protect children, Jehovah’s Witnesses will be more than happy to comply with them.

  What hubris. Willingness to comply has nothing to do with what is truly morally correct. WTS only cares about saving its ass, and any willingness to comply is about meeting that end. If the WTS actually cared about children, (and people in general), there would be no need for willingness to "comply".

  Your organization is not backed by any god and you know it.
  

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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  DesirousOfChange - So often, I think WE are guilty of looking at things related to JWLand with the midset of "wishful thinking". We would like think that Candice Conti would have a huge impact. But it really didn't. A few of the R&F took note, but it wasn't an earthquake or forest fire.

  The Commission investigation may prove to be a forest fire in Australia, but that's doubtful if it will spread to the US. Most Americans can't see past their property lines (NIMBY) let alone see anything going on in the rest of the world.

  While I agree with the "wishful thinking" element, there is more to this than an isolated case. No one case is going to make that big of an impact, however, these cases are getting noticed, and it weighs on the minds of the R&F in the form of cognitive dissonance. CD always has a breaking point, at least in aggregate. It will take time, but many will wake up because of this reporting.

  We need to stop looking as these things as the one big thing that will bring the org. down. That will not happen. I say this over and over, this is about social evolution. Our society today is not tolerant of protecting a religious organization at the expense of innocent children and their families, thank goodness. At one time, it was common for these types of things to be swept under the rug because it was "too unspeakable" to be mentioned. That is precisely why religious organizations and other organizations got away with this problem for so long. Society no longer tolerates this.
  

  All of this is about the big picture. The WT organization looks very, very, foolish being on the wrong side of this argument. JWs will naturally want to distance themselves from it. It is human nature. Just like any other tragic learning, the initial response by JW will be that of denial and disbelief, (cognitive dissonance), however eventually, with enough reminders and persistence, the CD will be begin to wear on them, at which point they will need to accept facts. This tipping point takes place when it becomes less painful to adjust to the new knowledge, rather than trying to support the old in vain.
  

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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

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  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  Sir82 - They are either evilly deceptive or mind-bogglingly stupid. Either way it's not good.

  Actually a third option, (and I believe the most likely), is they are both.

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  Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?

  by stillin in

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  i'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.

  or something along that line.

  i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?

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  Let's rephrase the question - Are JCs reasonable to begin with?

  The above question in the OP becomes moot once the correct answer is given to this question.

  Edit : Child abuse needs to be dealt with be legal authorities, not church leaders of any kind. Since the organization stubbornly refuses to accept that, they are now getting their just desserts by nations that are far better socially evolved than a 19th century end-times religion.
  

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  Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

  if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

  if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

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  They will certainly try to spin it the way cappytan quotes them as remarking on previously. That said, the bigger problem is not going away. If it is not Candice Conti, or the Royal Commission, it will be something else. These cases are now beginning to hit the organization fast and furiously, and the GB know it. AMIII would not have mentioned the above quoted in a broadcast a few months back, were that not the case.

  This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks.

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