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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

  1. watchtower
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  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  Sir82 - They are either evilly deceptive or mind-bogglingly stupid. Either way it's not good.

  Actually a third option, (and I believe the most likely), is they are both.

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  Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?

  by stillin in

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  i'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.

  or something along that line.

  i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?

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  done4good

  Let's rephrase the question - Are JCs reasonable to begin with?

  The above question in the OP becomes moot once the correct answer is given to this question.

  Edit : Child abuse needs to be dealt with be legal authorities, not church leaders of any kind. Since the organization stubbornly refuses to accept that, they are now getting their just desserts by nations that are far better socially evolved than a 19th century end-times religion.
  

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  Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

  if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

  if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

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  done4good

  They will certainly try to spin it the way cappytan quotes them as remarking on previously. That said, the bigger problem is not going away. If it is not Candice Conti, or the Royal Commission, it will be something else. These cases are now beginning to hit the organization fast and furiously, and the GB know it. AMIII would not have mentioned the above quoted in a broadcast a few months back, were that not the case.

  This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks.

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  Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

  by wwjdnwt in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was born into this religion.

  i was a jw for well over 30 years.

  i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

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  maksutov - I think they both believe it (consciously) and also know it is not true (suppressed) - just like I did when I was a member. I suspect they can bear a lot more cognitive dissonance than average because they have more to lose from admitting to being wrong.

  Closest to the truth, for sure.

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  Breaking news: US mass shooting

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's getting to the point where cnn should start announcing "breaking news" if there *hasn't* been a mass shooting !.

  it's crazy.. i was watching the 70's documentary they are running and that's the point when media hype about mass serial killers seemed to begin the danger-gun-solution hype cycle.

  sure, people had guns before then but nowhere near like it is now.. when will it end?

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  John Aquila -

  You are correct. The main differences there are the level of regulation imposed on nukes and fear associated with the obvious outcome of using them, (the old MAD concept from the cold war days). Theoretically all those factors do is buy time, they are no guarantee nukes will not be used in the future. That is the sober truth.
  

  This would make for a another good thread, really

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  Breaking news: US mass shooting

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's getting to the point where cnn should start announcing "breaking news" if there *hasn't* been a mass shooting !.

  it's crazy.. i was watching the 70's documentary they are running and that's the point when media hype about mass serial killers seemed to begin the danger-gun-solution hype cycle.

  sure, people had guns before then but nowhere near like it is now.. when will it end?

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  Btw, I expect lots of dislikes, and little in the way of cogent argument against my assertion above. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

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  Breaking news: US mass shooting

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's getting to the point where cnn should start announcing "breaking news" if there *hasn't* been a mass shooting !.

  it's crazy.. i was watching the 70's documentary they are running and that's the point when media hype about mass serial killers seemed to begin the danger-gun-solution hype cycle.

  sure, people had guns before then but nowhere near like it is now.. when will it end?

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  Guns, are not the problem. The amount of non violent gun owners far outweigh these acts carried out by these people. Take the guns away, and a psychopath will find another weapon whether it's knives, cars, bombs, etc, etc.

  Understand probability theory, and you will understand why you are wrong. More guns = greater probability they will be used, and misused, regardless of the majority of ownership being of those who are non-violent and responsible. This is science, and something right wing nuts just can't get their heads around.

  No one is saying most gun owners are violent. We need to re-frame this discussion as a narrative, so non-math and non-science folks can understand. Too many in the US that just don't know how to understand numbers, so I suppose we need to dummy this discussion down, aka WT style. Maybe then it will sink in.
  

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  Facing up to the reality of the world

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since becoming atheist i have been paying more attention to world events and issues.

  this is giving me some worry's when i see what's going on.

  as a jw i could just dismiss stuff saying "armageddon is coming, jehovah will look after us" etc etc now of course i can't do that.

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  This is a normal response to existential fear(s). Religion plays a role for some in allying such. This may be good for some, but really does little more than provide a drug for most. Very fundamentalist religions, (i.e. like JW), are very black and white when it comes to things, (such as world events), and as such provide a powerful catch-all drug, (they social equivalent of heroin), for explaining them. In the case of JWs, this would be their Armageddon and Paradise doctrines. When one leaves such an extreme belief system, it is very common to experience withdrawal, and respond to negative world events with existentialism and with a certain amount of fear.

  As others have pointed out, when the bigger picture is considered, (all known human history), today is a much safer and happier time to live in on a world wide scale, than any other time in human history.

  Hint: Reading a lot will help.
  

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  Yet more trolley (in)activity

  by konceptual99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am currently having to spend a little time waiting for an appointment in the vicinity of a central london station.

  whilst waiting i am catching up on some work in a cafe.

  i can see a couple of trolleys and have been watching them for around an hour now.. not one person has stopped to take literature.

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  I have to say, I work in NYC and have yet to see one of these things.

  I also have not even seen JW in my neighborhood in NJ in several years.

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  JW Broadcasting is dying.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  once a month about 15 to 20 elderly jw publishers would meet at the kingdom hall and one elder was assigned to set up the system so they could view jw broadcasting.

  these publishers were long time pioneers, former elders, and long time publishers who know nothing about computers or the internet.

  they are the last batch of those expecting the generation that saw 1914 or understood it--- to not die off.

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  done4good

  The cavalier attitude towards the elderly is disgusting. WT just does not care.
  

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