Kelsey: i don't hate Jw's, no way!
We have sincere believers on one side and the leaders on the other side.
The leaders are manipulating with believers and that is criminal. I just dont see, what could be reformed?
What would you reform in WTS? If Ted Jaracz is a rapist (and there is some evidence showing up in some
other thread), what should he do now? If the blood doctrine is false, who is guilty for all dead people? Dont
you think, that someone is guilty, and if he is, he is guilty of MURDER? Is that not criminal? Should we
not fight that? Can we positively view murderers?
izobcenec
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
Ok lets see...working for the victims, what would that exactly be?
First, we dont even know the victims, maybe just few of them, but most of 5000 victims, who contacted bill, we dont know.
Most of them are not molested now, they were molested years ago. So what can we do to help them? Well, in the end
it all comes to lawsuits and money. And it is a question, if they will win those...
I really dont see any reform possible within the watchtower, it has to be the way it is now to work or else they can pack
their bags and go. What would you reform? Blood? 1914? Last days? I mean, they cannot change anything! They dont
want to change anything, the system is working and working very effective. Most of Jw's dont even know or care about
silentlambs, they are just waiting for the new world to come soon. That hope is all they have and 90% are not willing to
throw it away, no matter what! It was so clear in our Country, when WT spokesman LIED on TV, and clearly so...but
nothing happened, they find some excuses for that (like the set him up...)
Yes, it would be very nice to actually talk with WT officials and debate about issues, but we all know that is not
possible. Yes, they are not going to fold under OUR criticism, but they MAY fold under the FBI investigation or state
law.
So, in the end, we are fighting against WTS, its negative, but they are actually criminals and some of them belong to jail.
I mean, when simplified, they are lying to people, ruining their lives and taking their money. That is criminal. I will
always fight against that kind of people and societies, especially if I or my dear ones are involved. Thats how people work.
Why didnt we fight against WTS policy on child abuse ten years ago? Look at all xjw websites today, everyone is writing
about silentlambs...
Will silentlambs change WTS policy? No! Only courts can achieve that and when (and if) it happens, the watchtower is dead.
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Ted Jaracz - the accused
by Nathan Natas inat the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .
i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.
there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.
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izobcenec
I wrote something about that accusation on some other thread.
Now, I didnt want to be rude or anything, Its just, that the accusations
are so incredible, they certainly change the whole picture!
Now, if they are two witnesses, who are willing to testify on court,
we certainly have a case against Ted Jaracz. And if he is such a
bastard, he must go to jail. If that is the case, the focus should be
put to this case, I mean, if Jaracz is found guilty of rape, there is no
way back for the Watchtower. They will lose all other lawsuits and
declare bankrupcy.
I appologise to anyone I may have hurt, it wasnt intentional, but this
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
After all, I AM OPTIMISTIC, if I wouldn't be, why would i work against WTS?
I think it is possible to do something but only with coordinated work. It has
to be visible, that we are serious, not just angry xjw's...be sure, that the WTS
lawyers will be checking this and all other forums, to find anything they can
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
larry: noone is critising bill's work so you dont have to defend him
but you have the agree that the silentlambs issue is now far more
than just helping the victims...it is about survival of watchtower now...
they CANNOT change any policy, if they would, that would mean,
that the current policy was wrong. then they would lose all the lawsuits
(and I'm not saying that they are not going to anyway), but if they
admit, that they have bad policy, they are gone, thats what I think...
and, as someone stated, insted of the sign "watchtower" there will
be a sign "for sale"...I think bill knows that too...the same is with blood
issue, they will never change that, because if they would, the lawsuits
would killed them...so the question is, will the FBI investigate, will they
lose lawsuits? They have good lawyers, are they good enough? And
dont think there is no lobbying going on with politicians too, the watchtower
is a surviver, just look what did they survive in last 130 years I mean they
fight like crazy, their lawyers thinking of ways to contra attack, they will
investigate backgrounds of bill, barbara and every victim, just to find anyting.
we are now at turning point, the silentlambs issue is finaly seriously taken by
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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I didnt question Bill, I honestly like the guy!
BUT if I would have to question him, I would, why not?
And it was just my impression, I dont even know him... -
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
I agre, most people dont care for jw's or xjws in general BUT if they would know, that some of them are paedophiles, they would care...and what is this WT policy, if someone is a KNOWN paedophile, someone must accompany him door 2 door, what if that companion is a UNKNOWN paedophile, they make quite a team, huh?
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
I think it is getting really hot in this thread, I'll just go for a walk now
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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DJ: you dont like bill's personality? well it is difficult to know someone, after all we
are just virtual friends...my first impression of bill bowen was good, he was sympatical,
simple man with one mission, he has been making candles for 30 years and now he
wants to change the system...maybe a little naive, maybe even intentional...those were
my first thoughts...and I still have that impression
But hey, if you believe in conspiracy, you can think, that the Watchtower hired Bill to
do all this, so that "the prophecies are fullfiling" and "god's org" is being attacked and the
publishers are getting this "urgency" feeling again...heh, wow, that woud be a revelation! -
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What's with the media and the march
by Lady Lee inwhere are the reports.
what exactly happened when the media went into the doos of bethel.
were they threatened.
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izobcenec
Ok, now it gets from bad to worse...