tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Thanks, Estephan. I'm going to chalk this thread up to my stupidity. I'm sure you're sincerely trying to reply to my questions, but I seem to be missing it.
I'll try better tomorrow, hopefully with more clarity. Words can get miscontrued at times. Have a great day.......
well last night i was doing a few boaring things and then this idea just popped in my head.
i was thinking about differant ways that a true 'disturbance' could happen from the ground up in the organization.
the basic idea is this: .
OK, so maybe it wouldn't get accurately reported by those liars, but I liked Drew's idea, anyway.If you think about it, some people in their midst are already doing this (even if they really think the are the annointed). That 8,200 number is sure not following any kind of normal actuarial decling for people who should be at least in their 80s...
I have thought for a long time that they may just quit counting the annointed to get past the embarrasment.
Where does it say there are 144,000 that are anointed. It does say the there are 12,000 out of the Twelve Tribes of the Sons of Israel that are sealed. (Revelations Chapter 7)
well last night i was doing a few boaring things and then this idea just popped in my head.
i was thinking about differant ways that a true 'disturbance' could happen from the ground up in the organization.
the basic idea is this: .
Well last night I was doing a few boaring things and then this idea just popped in my head. I was thinking about differant ways that a true 'disturbance' could happen from the ground up in the organization. The basic idea is this:
What if there was a growin movment of people who started to claim that they are of the anointed?
It's such a basic priciple, but huge in it's implications. Think about this. How many people are there on this message board? How many x-jws and current 'weak' ones are there floating around, not to mention all of those in good standing. There are tens of thousands. What if people went to congregations on the memorial (even a congregation where nobody knows them) and then partakes. While some wouldn't be counted, others would. What if there was a major push online to gather people and support the cause.
There are 1000 differant ways to look at this but the idea is very simple. Don't go after anything else other than the idea that more and more claim to be of the anointed.
Just a thought.
You should not partake unworthily, this is written. What would Jehovah think of this?
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
If truth is as important to you as you claim, then you could start with even the word jehovah. Any first year Hebrew student can tell you that you could insert any vowel you want in the word, jivihi, jovovha, jahavah and so on. Why do you insist on a word that wasn't even a word until about the year 1270 made up by a Catholic monk named Martini? Again, man made, made up word for God. Yet jw's go around falsely telling people they 'must' use that made up word for God's 'name'.Words should be used to inspire, teach, and bring together all people in love.-- The many 'words' of the wt have done nothing for love, peace or to inspire people to become better people. The damage and human wreckage from all parts of the world because of this evil cult is certainly not evidence of a 'loving' organization. They give God a bad name.
If you stand for truth there is no way you could ever defend or help the wt spread their false prophecies and their perverted version of 'the good news'.
Ok, I will use the name Allah if you prefer. The I AM is more appropriate as the True Name of GOD is hidden from mankind. Jehovah, Jah, Allah, G_d are all names understood by the people that serve the True God. The True God knows this. Heavenly Father is the most appropriate since He is the Father to all living things. So you are correct in your thinking.
Many religions teach good thing including the W.T.S. All are not completely accurate in their understanding. Take the good and leave behind the bad. This is the meaning of seeking out the truth. The heart is what will be judged by The Almighty.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. It is apparent you have much anamosity against the organization. This is your perogative and I hold nothing against you for it. This is the meaning of not judging one another in love. A person raised in truth and love will understand the errors of those that try to live their lives righteously. Refrain from judging your brother or sister as taught by Jesus Christ. This in itself unifies a Christian, as by their fruits you will recognize them.
Fulfillment of prophecy is recognize by true occurance in the world we live in. Many prophecies have been fulfilled and will come to their final end once the Words of the Almighty are finished.
the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.
was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.
when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).
Oh poor baby! You want me to quit telling you want to do? Honey I can't make you do anything. I can't even tell you what to do. I can only give my opinion. C'mon be a man. speak plainly and tell me to shutup. You can say it but you can't make me do it.By the way I like the "kiss my ass" comment
Josie
A real man refrains from using harsh language even though your haughty attitude deserves it. Jah will correct you in due season. I am concluding my converrsation with you. Have a great day.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
What is hateful there? truth? The truth is there are no bible scholars within the ranks of the so called translators of the NWT. Why is it perverted? They have perverted the word of God beyond recognition. Have the gov body taught psychotic things in the past? Yes, just because you are not aware of them does not make them less so. You do your own research, I myself am tired of showing intellectually lazy jw's the reams of research whether that be Greek, biblical doctrines, insane rules and regulations of the wt, the many, many scandals, continual misquoting of authors and scholars, etc.. etc... Until truth matters more to you than protecting an organization and its ungodly policies nothing can help you. Until you decide for yourself that the word of God is more important than the words of men nobody can help you. You must make a choice for yourself. Do your own homework. Decide which is more important to you truth or a publishing company. If you were really a lover of truth any research would be fine and no organization would make it 'off limits' to its members, unless of course they have something to hide.
Words build up and also break down, They cause wars between mankind and create emotional problems among the creations of Jehovah. Words should be used to inspire, teach, and bring together all people in love.
I am aware of the many teachings of the W.T.S. and make declaration of my faith as a Christian that worships in Spirit and in Truth. I will not defend untruths, and I make no claim to the fact that I belong to the W.T.S. organization. If you disagree with what I write, provide a convincing argument based upon the scripture in love and understanding.
One of the very first untruths in regards to the W.T.S. is when Russel or Ruthorford (spelling) decided to appropriate funds to build dwelling places for the men of old that would be resurrected. Are we not to build our own in the Kingdom of God? Who owns the real estate which includes all kingdom halls upon the earth? Truth is truth, a lie is a lie. I stand for truth, period.......
the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.
was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.
when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).
No one was talking about kissing, they were talking about a party where people were dancing, moving body parts. You brought this kissing thing which apparently has been playing on your mind. I got some advice for you - stop thinking about it.Josie
I have the right to express my own opinion. Quit telling me what to do, as if you rule my thoughts. Have a good day, you have anger management problems. (Just like you assumed that I have a phobia) You reap what you sow.......
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Estephan, if your continue to use the perverted NWT you will never have a real understanding of what the bible says. Try putting down your watchtowers and their perverted version of the bible and read for yourself in many other translations then come back and tell us what YOU have found not what a bunch of psycho's in Brooklyn tell you to think. Unless you equate the governing body with God.
I do compare varous translations from www.bible.com Instead of lashing out with your hateful words, try expressing your own thoughts with scripture. Prove me wrong with scriptural evdence in other words.
the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.
was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.
when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).
Are you sure you dont have a phobia about kissing people on the mouth? I don't know you really sound like you do. You're even trying to convince me that God agrees with your opinion.By the way I kissed my husband and my baby on the mouth. Doesn't that just make you sick?
Josie
I am telling you the truth, I have no phobia about kissing people in the mouth. It is proven that kissing on the mouth spreads germs and diseases correct? This is all I was trying to point out. Jehovah is a clean God to the utmost. He will clean up this ungoldy world of mankind so that no germs exist whatsoever. Being clean in this imperfect world helps us to prevent diseases and this is how He guards us against wickedness.How is it a person can commit adultery in their heart? Jah requires us to act in complete truth in pureness and love.
tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!
so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?
" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.
Estephan,Thank you for replying, but I'm a bit confused by your reply in regards to my questions, though.
1st question (more of a request) from me: Please show the biblical scriptural statement/proof concerning this response from you:
Since the Kingdom has not taken full rule, crushing all other kingdoms, everlasting life has not been ganted.2nd question (and let me rephrase it a bit): If those who are to die at Har-Magedon are not to be remembered anymore, why does God choose to remember sparrows who, by JW standards, are not meant to live beyond their normal lifespans and never to be resurrected? If I were to survive Har-Magedon and my mate didn't, I believe I would remember that person before remembering my dead parrot.
And please consider my questions in my original post:
If all of God's work is perfect and Dorcas was resurrected free from Adamic sin, why did she die? Being free from Adamic death, did she know right from wrong? Although no longer under Mosiac law, if she had used it as a guide, would she still have died? Wasn't the Mosiac law a way to keep 'perfectly ' the commands of God?
And...if God's work is perfect, but in that perfection animals die, why can't humans die under the same code of God's perfection? In other words, have we deluded ourselves as an out against death?
3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.(John 17:3) 44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; *Daniel 2:44) 8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. (1 Corinthians 13:8-10) Knowledge of the TRUE GOD can only be accomplished in the "Kingdom of GOD". All men will be proven to be liars, this is written. Complete TRUTH has not been revealed therefore everlasting life cannot be granted until this occurs.We as humans only have pastial truth and partial knowledge, otherwise there would not be any disagreement between all faiths. There is a first death and a second death. The seciond death has no resurrection and ocurrs after the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ. A person must die and be born again, this symbolizes a "spiritual death".
1 And I heard a loud voice out of the sanctuary say to the seven angels: “Go and pour out the seven bowls of the anger of God into the earth.” 2 And the first one went off and poured out his bowl into the earth. And a hurtful and malignant ulcer came to be upon the men that had the mark of the wild beast and that were worshiping its image. 3 And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul died, [yes,] the things in the sea. 4 And the third one poured out his bowl into the rivers and the fountains of the waters. And they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel over the waters say: “You, the One who is and who was, the loyal One, are righteous, because you have rendered these decisions, 6 because they poured out the blood of holy ones and of prophets, and you have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.” 7 And I heard the altar say: “Yes, Jehovah God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judicial decisions.” 8 And the fourth one poured out his bowl upon the sun; and to [the sun] it was granted to scorch the men with fire. 9 And the men were scorched with great heat, but they blasphemed the name of God, who has the authority over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give glory to him. 10 And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast. And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for [their] pain, 11 but they blasphemed the God of heaven for their pains and for their ulcers, and they did not repent of their works. 12 And the sixth one poured out his bowl upon the great river Eu·phra´tes, and its water was dried up, that the way might be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun. 13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on.Those that recieve the mark of the wild beast are those that participate in mans war unlawfully. Wild beasts are symbolic of nations in like manner to satan the devil the original serpent. He who lives by the sword shall also die by it. By their own hand, not by GOD's. Jehovah brought destruction at times that it was necessary against the unrighteous in order to preserve humans alive until He takes over in the Kingdom of GOD. Jesus Christ will bring PEACE not destruction. Please ask me any question in regards to the scriptures posted and I will answer them for you.
