Posts by Estephan

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Went to a witness party....oh, excuse me, "gathering" over the weekend.....

by enlightenedcynic in

the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.

was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.

when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).

Estephan

It said nothing about kissing people on the mouth to be forbbiden. Cleaning my baby's poopy diaper is a dirty thing so I wash my hands after. Sorry but you'll never convice me that God is up there wagging his finger at us humans for kissing our loved ones on the mouth.
If you don't like kissing people because of the mere thought of all those germs going into your mouth that's your problem, not mine or anyone else's. I think you have a phobia.
Josie

I have no phobias, and in regards to changing your babies diapers, think about that one also. Does a perfect factory produce waste? Nope.

We live in an imperfect world, therefore imperfection exists. Jehovah is making all things new "in perfection" where there is no waste whatsoever.

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Asked my Book Study group a question......................

by enlightenedcynic in

tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!

so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?

" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.

Estephan

Estephan,
Since the Kingdom has not taken full rule, crushing all other kingdoms, everlasting life has not been ganted.
Please forgive me for nit-picking, but could you provide the scripture that confirms the above statement. Edited to add:
The Almighty ... also knows when every sparrow hits the ground in death
If these are creatures created and meant to die forever, what is the point? Why remember what is meant to perish forever? Isn't that God's declaration for humans concerning those destroyed by Armageddon, that they won't be remembered?

If you recall in regards to the Kingdom taking full rule, all other kingdoms become non-existant when the "Kingdom of GOD" is fully established upon the earth. The Kingdom of GOD will be the only ONE remainng in a paradise earth in due season.

Why would GOD need to destroy humans in Armageddon only to resurrect them later? The Law says that those that have fallen asleep in death are forgiven of their sons therefore worthy of resurrection. There is much to read into when it comes to those that will perish, and will not perish.

Those that engage in war perish by another human, not by God. God only destroys in self-defense of another "righteous"human until He can correct all matter upon the earth. Once God takes over, all will come under the Law in authority to Jesus Christ; therefore not in need of being destroyed but forgiven. Do you agree?

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Asked my Book Study group a question......................

by enlightenedcynic in

tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!

so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?

" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.

Estephan

Everlasting life is only granted to humans in the "Kingdom of God". Since the Kingdom has not taken full rule, crushing all other kingdoms, everlasting life has not been ganted.

Also the Law of "First Fruits" will apply where those that believe, and follow the Will of The Almighty, are granted gifts of mercy and underserved kindness before the unrighteous. The unrighteous have to bear fruit worthy of repentance and forgiveness, before they recieve the rewards of the heavens, as written.

footnote:If humans can store data and recreate it in an instant, i.e. human geno project stored perhaps on a mainframe, how much more easier would it be for The Almighty to recreate us just as when we left the earth? The Almighty can count every strand of hair upon every living species in a millisecond, and at minimum also knows when every sparrow hits the ground in death. Let me remind you all, He created the DNA.......

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The Organization is NOT Spirit-Directed! -- Says J.R. Brown!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

"the watchtower" magazine, march 1, 1992, page 6:.

"the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1991, page 22: .

"the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1986, page 18:.

Estephan

8 Love never fails. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. (1st Corinthians)

No organization upon the earth can claim to have "Complete Truth" according to the scriptures above, not even the faithful and discreet servant "slave".

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Went to a witness party....oh, excuse me, "gathering" over the weekend.....

by enlightenedcynic in

the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.

was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.

when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).

Estephan

What about sex? Just handjobs? and be sure to wash afterwards?

I don't have to explain how babies are concieved do I? Male and female intercourse is the way we continue to be fruitful and multiply. All in cleanliness of course, no oral stimulation whatsoever, this is worse than kissing mouth to mouth.

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Went to a witness party....oh, excuse me, "gathering" over the weekend.....

by enlightenedcynic in

the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.

was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.

when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).

Estephan

Tell me where is says it's forbidden?
and my name is MrsJones

Sorry Mrs. Jones, I lost my reading glasses and read both as Beth.
Rule of Law, Your Father Jehovah is a clean GOD, and those that Love Him must remain clean and spotless from this world of mankind. Kissing mouth to mouth is unclean as it spreads many oral diseases, true of not true?
Therefore in this world, it would seem wiser to avoid kissing mouth to mouth, but only practice kissing on the cheek in a respectful manner.

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Asked my Book Study group a question......................

by enlightenedcynic in

tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!

so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?

" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.

Estephan

From the perspective of the "fake", you'd be the copy. He would fully believe he was you, he would behave exactly as you would in identical circumstances, and every imaginable test of his identity would prove that he really was you. In fact, if you woke up and he was beside you, you wouldn't know whether you were the original or the copy.
So where's the problem exactly?

Identical twins are born, they live together yet they grow up with different peronalities.You cannot clone a personality, can you? A sheep is cloned, from that point on they are two separate sheep, with two separate personalities, correct?

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Went to a witness party....oh, excuse me, "gathering" over the weekend.....

by enlightenedcynic in

the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.

was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.

when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).

Estephan

Both.
Seems like you think kissing is sinful and full of coodies Estephan. Tell me have you ever kissed another person (I say person cuz I'm not sure if you're a man or woman) before?
Me thinks maybe not or you've just not been kissed right.
Josie

Hi Beth,

Yes I have kissed females before. I am male and fully aware of what people engage in. However, where does it say "in the bible" that kissing is permitted or even condemned for that matter. People do what they see others doing, it doesn't mean that it is approved by Almighty God does it?

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Went to a witness party....oh, excuse me, "gathering" over the weekend.....

by enlightenedcynic in

the mrs. and i were invited to a "gathering" this weekend.

was just supposed to be some friends getting together for some food and fellowship.

when we arrived, there were a bunch of jw's in the back yard(50 to 100) and the music was pumping loud(not that i minded{smile}).

Estephan

Hips were gyrating...breasts were bouncing...pelvis was touching pelvis....all until 2:30 in the morning!!!

Oh my goodness, you see this in worldly bars all the time. By the way, who ever taught people to kiss "Mouth to Mouth"? Did God create the mouth to exchange saliva with one another, or to eat and speak with?

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Asked my Book Study group a question......................

by enlightenedcynic in

tuesday night's book study dealt with the resurrection and why we can have confidence in it...blah, blah, blah!

so after meeting as we are sitting around and chatting i spoke up and said, "did lazurus get resurrected with his same body or with a new one?

" i asked it purposely because on page 68, par.

Estephan

You all seem to be thinking in humans way of logic. Remember, nothing is impossible for God. Lazarus was resurrected in his same body which had not decomposed, therefore his relatives recognized him. Jesus Christ's body upon the earth was given as a ransom by Jesus willing sacrifice, so it was not brought back in its original form, evident by the fact that those whom knew him did not recognize him after he was raised.

Humans are able to clone living things through complex technics. How much easier would it be for GOD, who designed and created humans, to recreated you in perfection? Consider this, if you died today and were resurrected, you would still have the same thoughts and personality would you not? Jesus Christ does and so did Lazarus who still died later. Therefore Lazarus was not resurrected in perfection but imperfection. Just like Adam who was designed and created to live forever, Lazarus too, would have lived for ever.