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Honesty,
Christian is a title, not a name. It means "adherent to the anointed one's teachings - that would be the one that was impaled, Jesus.
Jehovah's people are known by His name, not the title of His son.
Gunshy
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
Christ set the pattern for shunning, yet nobody wants to address this:
(Luke 9:5) . . .And wherever people do not receive YOU, on going out of that city shake the dust off YOUR feet for a witness against them."
Why is it that few here want to stick with the subject of shunning?
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
When we begin to reason on what Jesus did versus what Jesus taught, we can gain further insight.
We all know what Jesus taught his disciples to do when encountering a time waster in the ministry.
(Luke 9:5) . . .And wherever people do not receive YOU, on going out of that city shake the dust off YOUR feet for a witness against them."
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
Gunshy~
How does shunning, "serve to protect Jehovah's name' when someone just decides they want to leave the witnesses and are DA'd?? GYMBB
Hi Gymbob, A few scriptures immediately come to mind on this one. We know that God has a people who are called by His name. (Ex 6:3; Ps 83:18; Ac 15:14) We know that we are commanded not to stop gathering as a unified people. (Deuteronomy 31:12; Acts 2:42; Hebrews 10:24-25; John 17:26 ) Now, if a person decides to go against the Bible's counsel and remove himself from the "people for His name", stop preaching the good news in association with the "people for His name" (Mt 24:14; 28:19-20) and teach something contrary to these healthful teachings (Galatians 1:6; 2 John 9), what fellowship should a thinking individual that truly knows the scriptures have with such a one? (2 Corinthians 6:14-15) . . .Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? The principle is clear that Jesus made at John 17:26 - God's people would share the same love with each other that God has for Jesus. As imperfect humans, where do we find such love? Is it here on this message board? Is this the place where God's people gather? I'm sure some here would like to think so. If so, where's the fruitage? When we find ourselves unhappy with God's arrangement in this imperfect system, do we just throw in the towel and give up? Poor Judas did. If we speak against what God has evidently gathered together, we fall into the category Gamaliel described: (Ac 5:39) . . .YOU may perhaps be found fighters actually against God." The truth is this - if Jehovah's Witnesses are not in fact God's true witnesses, then where are His true witnesses? Can anyone here please tell me? (Ac 1:8)
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
That was quite clever. The man dying next to Jesus showed a remarkable desire to follow Jesus and be teachable. I'd say he was a dedicated follower of Christ, wouldn't you?
The pressure of facing death may or may not have contributed to his actions. Judas was also facing death and didn't behave the same way.
Do you know what the difference was between the man next to Jesus and Judas, Steve?
Judas didn't realize he was about to die.
(Isaiah 26:9) With my soul I have desired you in the night; yes, with my spirit within me I keep looking for you; because, when there are judgments from you for the earth, righteousness is what the inhabitants of the productive land will certainly learn.
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
I can't.
Can you show me a scripture that even remotely implies that getting baptized and following Christ's example in conduct isn't necessary for salvation?
(1 Peter 4:17-18) . . .Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God? 18
"And if the righteous [man] is being saved with difficulty, where will the ungodly [man] and the sinner make a showing?" -
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
Hi Stevenyc, and thanks.
We know that Jehovah has called out of the nations a people for His name (Acts 15:14).
There are many ways to bring reproach against His name, but as far as one person doing that, you bring up a good point. Can one person bring reproach against the Creator of all things' name? In a simple answer, yes. If a person is carrying that name as a registered, card carrying, full fledged, dedicated, baptized follower and imitator of Jesus Christ, then responsibility comes with that baptism to do whatever possible to remain chaste in conduct.
Upholding fine moral standards is not only commendable, it is required upon baptism as commanded by Christ (Matthew 28:19, 20). Even the demons recognized Christ's holiness (clean morality) in association with his Father, and therefore his followers must also be holy:
(Mark 1:24) . . .Did you come to destroy us? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God.. . .
(Leviticus 11:44) For I am Jehovah YOUR God; and YOU must sanctify yourselves and YOU must prove yourselves holy, because I am holy. So YOU must not make YOUR souls unclean by any swarming creature that moves upon the earth.
(Leviticus 19:2) "Speak to the entire assembly of the sons of Israel, and you must say to them, ‘YOU should prove yourselves holy, because I Jehovah YOUR God am holy.
(Leviticus 20:26) And YOU must prove yourselves holy to me, because I Jehovah am holy; and I am proceeding to divide YOU off from the peoples to become mine.
(Deuteronomy 23:14) For Jehovah your God is walking about within your camp to deliver you and to abandon your enemies to you; and your camp must prove to be holy, that he may see nothing indecent in you and certainly turn away from accompanying you.
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
There is something that Jesus did that should be carefully noted in regard to Judas Iscariot. He politely sent him packing after Judas kissed him.
(John 13:26) . . .Therefore Jesus answered: "It is that one to whom I shall give the morsel that I dip." And so, having dipped the morsel, he took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·car´i·ot. . .
(John 13:27-30) . . .And after the morsel then Satan entered into the latter. Jesus, therefore, said to him: "What you are doing get done more quickly." 28 However, none of those reclining at the table knew for what purpose he said this to him. 29 Some, in fact, were imagining, since Judas was holding the money box, that Jesus was telling him: "Buy what things we need for the festival," or that he should give something to the poor. 30 Therefore, after he received the morsel, he went out immediately. And it was night.
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
Interestingly enough, Genesis gives an even more descriptive account:
(Genesis 19:24) . . .Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod´om and upon Go·mor´rah.
So, in regard to shunning, it serves to protect others. For instance, if a person that has taken steps toward baptism and reaches that goal then decides he or she wants to visit strip clubs, the person is going door to door preaching on sunday and visiting strip clubs on Friday.
Disfellowshipping (shunning) serves to protect Jehovah's name.
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Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....
by whyizit ini wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?
it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.
thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.
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Gunshy
Hello.
I'm new here. I'd like to point out.
Jesus never did in fact speak directly about homosexuality. Yet, he did speak of the days of Lot and Sodom:
(Luke 17:28-29) Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all.