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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

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  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  "My brother had a relative through marriage who was accused of raping little girls, but because there was only one witness with a clear memory of the incident, nothing was done to him."

  Hi again, Tammy,

  Just one more question...

  Is there any proof of wrongdoing?

  The reason I ask is because anyone can accuse. Proving something is another story.

  Imagine a world where we could have people killed merely by accusing them without proof?

  I'm sure the word "proof" stings, as one can imagine how it would. Yet, without proof, unfortunately, a person is then only accused.

  Jesus himself was accused of many things, for one, being "out of his mind". Yet, when all the proof was offered, he was impaled wrongly merely to appease the ones that felt defrauded (Pharisees and Sadducees). A case was built on mere accusation.

  A sad fact is that without proof, criminals cannot be convicted. The reason is because not everyone accused is a criminal. Isn't that true?
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  In other words, their time would be better spent talking to receptive listeners.

  Ah1 Very good! Would a follower of Christ consider an unrepentant wrongdoer or one disassociated from the congregation a "receptive listener"?

  These posts are for any sheeplike ones that might be reading, by the way. It's already been determined some here are not receptive listeners.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  Hi Tammy,

  "My brother had a relative through marriage who was accused of raping little girls, but because there was only one witness with a clear memory of the incident, nothing was done to him."

  Had Judas not taken his own life, what should the other apostles have done to him?
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  In case some of you here do not know what mithracism is, it's the worship of the sun god mithra. Pagans did this (saturnalia) during the Roman Empire on December 25th (Julian calendar)- the winter solstice. Constantine decided to combine mithracism with apostate Christianity to form Christmas. See, Christianity had become polluted by Greco Hellenistic influences at this time.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  Does anyone recall any of the apostles resisting the words of Jesus? I'm asking this for a reason.

  He taught his followers to "wipe the dust" of unbelievers off their feet.

  Yet, not one here dares to comment regarding this as an act that Jesus commanded of his disciples to do in regard to any that do not accept Christ's teachings.

  Ya'll talk about shunning and how unchristlike it is, yet nobody dares mention anything regarding this stark truth about Christ I've posted here two times (this time three) already.

  So, we can continue debating regarding shunning, or humbly admit that Christ himself did in fact command his followers to shun unbelievers.

  Does anyone care to follow up on this point precisely? I believe I've addressed the original poster of this thread's inquiry precisely.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  Steve,

  A Jehovahs Witness feels exactly as you do. One of Jehovah's Witnesses does not feel the way you do. When you understand what that means, you'll understand the difference between a name and a title.

  This one's gonna throw some of you:

  Birthdays are satanic.

  (Anton Szandor LaVey - The Satanic Bible) "The highest of all holidays in the Satanic religion is the date of one's own birth. Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year."

  (Ecclesiastes 7:1) A name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one’s being born.

  Christmas is mithracism combined with Christ's alleged birthday. (2 Corinthians 6:15) . . .what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever?
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  I'm curious, plmkrzy about a few things.

  One has to do with the prostitute comment.

  One - do you know any religious leader anywhere that openly, in public has prostitutes washing his or her feet? I'm curious because of your statement.

  Also, have you recently had prostitute's touching your feet? I ask this to make a point. Anybody in today's world, including Jesus, would be looked at oddly for this type of behavior. Yet, in Jesus' day, washing feet of others wasn't an unusual event, considering most people didn't have wingtips, socks and washtubs with running water.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  Steve...

  (Acts 15:17-18) . . .in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18

  known from of old.’

  plmkrzy,

  Do you really think the "prostitute", Mary (Lu 7:47), continued in her practices after receiving forgiveness by God's representative, Jesus Christ?
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  What I mean Steve is that those identified as Christians will be called by God's name.

  Many are called "Christians" but few actually are. You have many called Christians today that wage war and supposedly cast out demons and do many powerful works in the name of Jesus, but are in fact workers of lawlessness.

  (Matthew 7:22-23) . . .Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23

  And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

  God's people are "no part of the world".

  (John 15:19) . . .If YOU were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because YOU are no part of the world, but I have chosen YOU out of the world, on this account the world hates YOU.
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  Question about shunning from someone who has never been a JW....

  by whyizit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wondered, since the jws claim that jesus is their teacher, what evidence do they have of jesus shunning "bad associations"?

  it seems to me, from reading the bible, that the religious people of his day really gave him a hard time, because he actually spent the majority of his time with "bad associates", rather than shunning them.

  thomas, though he followed jesus, wasn't totally convinced.

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  Gunshy

  There's no such thing as a smoking Christian, dear.

  A follower of Jesus can and will give up smoking. Jesus gave up his life for us. What kind of Christian example is it to hurt what Jehovah made in His image? a true follower of Jesus will give up smoking in imitation of Jesus who refused poison on a sponge that was being shoved in his face. He set the pattern. A true follower of him will follow him, not try to make excuses to commit defilement of the flesh.