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  Scottish News Panorama

  by silentlambs in

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  church at centre of paedophile allegations

  http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displaynode.jsp?nodeid=62692&command=displaycontent&sourcenode=62244&contentpk=2125157

  claire stewart

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  Mr Gilles said: "We decided not to take part for two reasons.
  
  "One is Jehovah's Witnesses are featured in the programme . We follow the Bible in everything we do and the way to resolve difficulties between spiritual brothers and sisters is not in the public.

  Doesn't this reiterate exactly why the problem rose to such hideous proportions in the first place? The attitude that problems should be dealt with ONLY within the congregations without outside involvement?

  This insular and 'head-in-the-sand' mindset meant that child abusers could work with impunity among Jehovah's Witnesses.
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  What Are They Really Saying Now?

  by Englishman in

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  i must confess, i am intrigued as to how panorama has affected the jw's who watched it.

  my old pal, mr dub-in-the-pub, just shook his head miserably over his guinness after denying having seen it.

  now he wants to borrow the video recording i made.

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  I know one elder who watched the panorama program and he said he was 'gutted' over the whole thing.

  He said that he would never have allowed cover-ups no matter what.

  On the whole though there were dark mutterings at the meeting about media persecution, apostate lies, and a general unwillingness to accept there has ever been a problem.

  I think the elders have had a kick up the pants though, and things ARE changing for the better.

  It's just a shame that it took outside force to do it.
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  JARACZ: What Did He Really Mean?

  by Englishman in

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  bp: tell me about the database.

  how do you justify keeping a list of paedophiles, men in some cases who have confessed to paedophilia but you have not reported them to an authority.

  what justification is there for you to keep that?

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  Very interesting Nanoprobe, thanks for posting that.

  However, the fact remains that the database of pedophiles that the Society keep is in the U.S. What possible relevence does the European directive have in this case?

  No, I think Jaracz was floundering and said the first thing that came into his head, which was bovine excrement.
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  JARACZ: What Did He Really Mean?

  by Englishman in

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  bp: tell me about the database.

  how do you justify keeping a list of paedophiles, men in some cases who have confessed to paedophilia but you have not reported them to an authority.

  what justification is there for you to keep that?

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  The few seconds interview with Jaracz was bizarre to say the least.

  I wonder if he was alluding to the data protection act, which means that people can keep databases as long as others are informed that they are on it and can have access to information held about themselves? Also, I wonder if there are any European directives relating to a paedophile's right to anonymity once they have served their term? I know the USA has Megan's law but we in the UK don't have that.

  And what was that crap about we don't go beyond the things that are written. Does he mean the things the Society have said about child abuse? If so he is talking about WBTS policy as if it was scripture itself. If so, what blasphemy!

  And another thing, JWs are always going beyond what is written. Except they don't because they interpret the scriptures to mean anything they damn well want. So what is written in the bible doesn't mean diddly squat.

  My other thought on this, because it sounds to me like he is referring to a written article given to the press to answer their questions, is how can they NOT go beyond what is written if they have written it! Surely they need to update teachings in line with new light. Or does this now mean that NO new light will ever be forth coming because the GB have lost their bottle and will continue to regurgitate only what has been written before?

  I think you are right D Wiltshire, it was baffle em with bullshit time! Either that or the man is going senile.

  Edited by - dmouse on 15 July 2002 14:6:27
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  BBC 5 Live radio phone in

  by Simon in

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  on now ... tel.

  to call is 0500 909 693 .

  just started and people asking why they don't go to the police straight away ... hard to understand the shunning thing.edited by - simon on 14 july 2002 18:22:29.

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  Excellent! Some very articulate and deeply hurt people out there who have experienced the rough end of JW 'justice'.

  The reaction is much more intense than I ever thought it would be!

  JW apologists are now hiding under their beds!
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  Panorama kicks butt

  by dmouse in

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  wow!!!!!!!!!.

  i'm still reeling (and i bet a few jws are too!).

  kudos to the panorama team!

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  WOW!!!!!!!!!

  I'm still reeling (and I bet a few JWs are too!)

  Kudos to the Panorama team! That bit with Ted J - they made him look like a complete a**hole!

  Not the sensationalist style of Dateline but my God was that hard-hitting or what?! I loved the way that they took it to the top and made it clear that it was the organisation policies that were at fault as well as a**hole elders!

  WELL DONE PANORAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Child abuse cover up in the UK.

  by Aikon in

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  re panorama i know of at least 3no elders that went to prison last year for child abuse but their local elders coverd it up here in england one was a po for 10years

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  Here's one:

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm

  Why do you think one of the victims says that you shouldn't go to the elders but to go straight to the police if you are abused?
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  Transcript of the UK letter

  by dmouse in

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  i went to the meeting this morning and taped the reading of the letter, and transcribed it when i got home.

  there are a few alterations to the u.s. letter posted by silent lambs.

  i have highlighted these changes.. .

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  nicolaou, check your email.

  Pathofthorns, I agree. Notice the expression 'elders know' as if it's all their fault if things go wrong. Again the GB escape any sanction for their crimes and the local elders take the fall.
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  Transcript of the UK letter

  by dmouse in

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  i went to the meeting this morning and taped the reading of the letter, and transcribed it when i got home.

  there are a few alterations to the u.s. letter posted by silent lambs.

  i have highlighted these changes.. .

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  dmouse

  After the meeting I was approached by an elder, who used to be a good friend of mine. He asked me if I had come to hear the letter and I told him I had.

  He said that he was 'absolutely gutted' by the situation. We talked for a while and he agreed that some elders in different congregations had handled things badly. However he assured me that such a thing would not happen in our congregation as he had very strong feelings on the issue (we both have kids in the cong) and th he would take action to expose child abuse no matter what.

  I am grateful that this congregation at least has an elder with scruples.

  In parting I asked him if he was going to watch Panorama tonight, 'absolutely' was the reply.
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  Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

  by Jim Dee in

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  uk re panorama program .

  a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

  1. read it yourself.

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  Just to clarify the situation - the letter does NOT contain any attack on the media or secular authorites.

  I have posted a transcript of the letter on the main board. (friends)

  At the meeting absolutely NO mention was made of the Panorama program or any inference that there has been a problem at all in the congregations.