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  Was it worth it?

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for those of you who left family and friends and had to start over from scratch just to get out of the organization, was it worth it?.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, although by the time I left I had few friends and not a lot of family left. Like Pete Zahut said, at some point you just cant go on as you were. My only regret is not leaving sooner.
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  LisaRose

  I got the book by Sam Harris and read it. It was very interesting, if a bit hard to take in all at once, but much of it resonates with me. I practice meditation, but not nearly to the extent he is talking about, although what little I have done gives me a glimpse into what he is talking about. It's hard to describe.

  I was watching Les Miserables and something about how the message of the plot was portrayed and demonstrated brought on this sudden realization that fits exactly what he is discribing. It was like all at once I realized love is not a two way street and I want everyone to be happy; I will do what I can to make this so at whatever cost to myself I can afford.

  I once had the soundtrack of this and it came at a very pivotal time in my life, shortly before I left the organization. I was very moved by Fantine ( I dreamed a dream). It opened up feelings that had been long buried, I realised how desperately unhappy I was. It was a few years before I began to meditate, but I credit that music for getting me to a certain place that allowed me to break free.
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  California Out of Water Soon

  by Village Idiot in

  1. social
  2. current

  look closely at the figures below and see how much water california has left from its major source of water the sierra mountains:.

  my advice, not that any politician would take it, would be to eliminate most agriculture in the state.

  almonds, rice and alfalfa, are all thirsty water guzzling crops that neither those in california nor the rest of the nation needs.

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  LisaRose

  Eliminating those crops would be a financial hit to the state, but it may be the only way to go. Some of the farmers got together to work out voluntary rationing. Some are tearing out older trees that take more water in the hopes of salvaging some of their younger trees. You feel bad for some of them, It's problematic for the almonds and other trees, you can't just let them die and plant when the drought I'd over (if that ever happens) it takes years to get a producing tree.

  In the meantime I am hand watering some things with reclaimed water, we are taking shorter showers, and plan to put fake grass in the one small area we have grass and replace any remaining spray heads with drip. And we have instituted a "if it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown, flush it down" plan. Or, as they said once in GB, "spare your blushes, share your flushes".

  I am aiming for 30% reduction.
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  "We can't even talk with you anymore! You react very abruptly"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so that was the line used by an elder the other day to me!.

  he implied that i react badly when spoken to by the elders.. i corrected him and said: "no, i'm always happy to have a conversation.

  but what you seem to be implying is that unless i sit and accept and take everything you say, then i am being defensive?

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  LisaRose

  Well, shame on you for being abrupt, I didn't know that was a disfellowshipped offence, lol.

  Everyone has their own path to follow, in the end it's up to you. I think you can see by now that you won't be able to get anyone else out, so the only thing left to decide is the manner and timing of your exit, the end result is pretty much the same, with the possible exception of family that will or will not be forced to shun you.

  I can say the leaving itself is the hardest part, it is hard to lose friends abruptly. Once you get through that though you can start to rebuild your life. However hard that is, you will then have freedom to live life on your terms. Freedom is a wonderful thing, once you have tasted that you will wonder why you waited so long. Already you are changing, in ways big and small, so you will find you will have less and less in common with your JW friends. However much you may cherish them, the relationships cannot and will not be the same, so cherish the memories and begin to let them go.

  Yeah, it's the deep end of the pool, but come on in, the water's fine!
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  Women Make Monkeys Of Men

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  vindication i (book, 1931) pp.156-157.

  the church congregations of christendom are attended chiefly by women, and women have much to do with the policy thereof.

  in many of the church organizations women occupy the pulpit and preach and prophesy.

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  I remember my FIL using the "bag of bones, hank of hair" expression. This is religion that is very unkind to women and sees them as a necessary evil. No woman, no matter how mature, smart, educated and accomplished is equal to any baptized JW man no matter how young, stupid, uneducated, and inexperienced they are.
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  Desire To Ejaculate Motivates Local Christian To Wed

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. humour

  desire to ejaculate motivates local christian to wed.

  news february 11, 1998.

  vol 46 issue 27 local marriage religion relationships.

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  Ha ha, I thought it was the Onion as I was reading it, I recognized the writing style. One of those cases where it's hard to tell the difference between satire and the real thing. I have seen people post articles like this on Facebook, thinking they are actual news stories. Even when people point out it's satire, they don't get it.
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  "Make a list of people you want to meet in the New System!" (New September Watchtower)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower september 2015 study edition, "stand firm in the faith," paragraphs 16 and 17:.

  following jesus example, we must read the bible daily, study it, and meditate on what we learn.

  along with general bible study, dig into topics about which you may have questions.. you can imitate jesus by meditating on the wonderful promises jehovah has made to you.

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  Hope is a very powerful thing. Getting people to vividly imagine something very positive, like meeting a much admired person, will cause people to put up with a lot of bad things. It's cult manipulation 101.
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  Creationist Discovers 60 million Year Old Fish Fossils - Insists that they date to Noah's Flood 4500 years ago

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. social
  2. current

  it is astounding that someone like this creationist can have no appreciation for the scientific significance of his discovery.

  even in the face of evidence to the contrary, those who chose to believe rather than know will never forsake their ignorance.. alberta creationist discovers rare fish fossils in basement dig (full article and video).

  "an alberta man who discovered a school of rare fossilized fish while digging up a calgary basement believes the world was created by god a few thousand years ago.. it's for that reason edgar nernberg doesn't think the fossils could possibly be as old as paleontologists are estimating.. "i subscribe to the creationist position, and i believe they were laid down in noah's flood, about 4,500 years ago.

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  I read about this in the Washington Post. What was interesting is that this was not pure chance, he has an interest in fossils and knew they were significant when he found them. It's amazing that he knows something about them, but refuses to see what their existence proves. It's hard to know what to think about someone who shows such willful ignorance.
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  Wrong and Deceiving

  by Madan Magar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the article 'judgement day' published by jehovah's witness', they are saying,'in 'judgement day', the people who will be resurrected and had no chance to learn about god will not be judged according to their past deed but what will they do after resurrection.

  ' and they show the scripture roman6:7 which says"who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

  " if we take out context and see it literally , it has that meaning but the scripture's contextual meaning is totally different, it doesn't talk about physical death but the death of old personality.so in this cotext, this cannot be applied.this is anacceptable to admit..

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  LisaRose

  They think people who died before the Big A who never had a chance to know "the truth" will get resurrected, but what about the people who won't know about it when Armageddon comes? Is your salvation simply a matter of lucky timing? It would make it like a lottery, some get a chance, some don't. When I became a JW I was told that Jehovah was going to "speed it up in his own time" and by the time of the end everyone on the earth will have had a chance to know about him. But it was impossible then and it's more impossible now. They aren't growing more than the general population, so every year Armageddon is delayed means more people who don't know about Jehovah who will be bird food because they didn't die at a good time.

  They keep talking about how close the end is, but how can that be if everyone in earth has to get a witness? Most people in the U.S. don't really know what JWs believe, never mind the millions in countries where there are few JWs, and no real effort is being made to get the word out either. They seem content to stand next to literature carts in train stations. How is that lifesaving preaching work? If that is how God will give people a chance at life he is a cruel practical joker.
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  How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?

  by Tazemanian-devil in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.

  if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.

  how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?

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  What I find troublesome about this is the fact that a CO makes decisions about the elders and others in a congregation. If some are giving more in the way of green handshakes then how could the CO be impartial in a dispute or disciplinary issue? What about when it comes to choosing people for parts on the conventions? It's too much like bribes to me.

  And they look down on churches for having paid clergy, this doesn't seem any better, in fact it seems much worse.