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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  LisaRose

  My question is, how exactly has the organization clearly shown no interest in protecting or assisting in the protection of children?

  Let me count the ways.

  
  Two witness rule.
  

  Appointing elders when there have been multiple accusations of child abuse in the past.

  Pressuring victims not to go to the authorities and "bring reproach" on Jehovah's name.

  Blaming the victim. They actually have a form that asks what the CHILD did to cause the ADULT to molest them. You know, because five year olds are such hussies.

  Disfellowshiping people because they insist on telling.

  Pretending such a thing is almost unheard of while secretly maintaining a list of 56,000 names of accessed molesters.

  Standing by while an admitted child molester marries a woman with children and threatening the victim's mother for being concerned and warning the woman he married. (Personal kowledge of this one).

  Forcing the victim to recount the molestation in front of the perpetrator, thus victimizing them again.

  Treating child abuse as any other sin, as if it's no worse than two teens having sex out of wedlock. Once a pedophile is reproved or reinstated they're considered forgiven, free to molest again with no one the wiser.

  Settling out of court and demanding non disclosure agreement so the Watchtower can continue to pretend they don't have a problem.

  Disfellowshiping young girls for fornication because they didn't fight off their adult abuser.

  I count eleven ways
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  LisaRose

  They both settled.

  The secrecy part of the suit was always a stretch, had they ruled otherwise it would have created a logistical nightmare for all churches. I still believe the the Watchtower is in the wrong, because their culture and practices are completely different from other religions, but the court has chosen not to go there, you have to respect that. Another day, another case hopefully. No doubt the Watchtower will change procedure when it comes to assigning field service, so hopefully this scenario will not happen again.
  

  The fact is Candice did win. Those whiners on Topx can grouse all they want, she won. They are just a bunch of mental cases, Watctower apologists and pedophile defenders. I remember many there predicting Candace would never win any part of this case, looks like they were wrong. It's laughable to think someone who was convicted of child abuse and also previously accused of child abuse was not also guilty in this case. The evidence was there or she would not have won, plain and simple.

  Candice may have waned to change policy as regards to secrecy, but that wasn't going to happen and she was smart to take her victory. She has exposed Watchtower's dirty laundry, things that will help other victims with their cases and the publicity about the case has prompted some JWs to investigate and learn the truth about the truth, so Candace is still a hero in my book.

  #Candace Wins
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  Do you ever feel strangely drawn towards Conspiracy Theories?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after mentally awakening to the idea that jws don't have the truth i strangely found myself delving into all encompassing conspiracy theories.

  not that i believed them but something about them seemed quite fascinating.

  i was especially drawn to the idea of a new world order/one world government.

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  The Watchtower is not completely dissimilar to a group of conspiracy theorists. They believe they have special knowledge that the rest of the world doesn't have, they believe the experts are all wrong and in on the conspiracy and there is an imminent threat. Perhaps you feel the loss of a belief system and want to look for something else to believe in.
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  To Blue Dot or Not to Blue Dot. That is the question ....

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been noticing recently that some khs in the area where i live (socal) are putting up the jw.org little blue dot, but others are not.

  i would think this would be a mandatory directive from hq.

  does anyone here have any intel on the matter?.

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  LisaRose

  This made me laugh so hard I have tears running down my face!

  That's nothing, I laughed so hard I had tears running down my leg! (Just joking, but it was funny).

  
  

  Blue calf, red calf , gold calf.
  Blue square, ...............catch my drift?

  I had the same thought, I imagined the Israelites talking about the RGB value and Pantone number of the gold color used for the calf, and what background color was acceptable.
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  I Don't Get It!

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there are literally about thirty young single very good looking sisters in this one kingdom hall under the age of 30. that is just one kingdom hall.

  in the circuit there are literally hundreds of young beautiful jw girls under 30 who are single and anxious to get married.

  about two years ago, this one single good looking brother who is about 30 years old and who is an elder married this plain looking sister who is 59 years old.

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  Who knows why people pick who they do? I knew of a similar case years ago. The woman was much older (older than his mother) and had mental health issues, bi-polar. The brother was young and stupid and horny. His family and friends begged him to reconsider but he did it anyway. She openly admitted she really just wanted sex, and older women are usually more comfortable with their sexuality, so you could guess that might have been the attraction. It ended as expected, they were separated within a year. Unfortunately she quickly had a baby, so he not only couldn't get a scriptural divorce, he had to pay child support and be tied to this person for the rest of his life.
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  Aposta-Paparazzi

  by RedPillPopper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if the celebrity paparazzi can openly photograph the ongoings of the entertainment people, what would be the legal ramifications if any, if someone staked out the "higher-ups" of the wt and photographed their day to day activities outside of any golden compounds.

  do the directors of the corporations like don adams have personal residences outside of bethel?

  what kind of cars do they drive?

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  LisaRose

  There is no reason they couldn't, as long as they don't trespass or do anything else illegal. But who would want to do that? It would take a heck of a committment in time and money. If they did find something fishy, what good would it do? Most JWs are not going to believe anything from so called apostate sources, so they would just think it's made up or that Satan attacking them.

  Maybe if you could get a picture of tight pants Tony in drag and it got media attention, but other than that I don't see it being worth the effort.
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  Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

  was it designed?

  the inverted retina.

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  LisaRose

  If the Watchtower will stoop to misquoting legitimate scientists, why would they not quote a a former JW? They don't care if he is discredited or apostate, they know the faithful rank and file don't know anything about him and won't question anything printed by the Watchtower.
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  Getting it out of my system, a VERY long introduction/outpouring..

  by adimmedlight in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  warning, novel ahead:.

  after a few months of lurking on this site, i've decided to take the plunge...i don't really care so much about introducing myself, but somehow there is some relief in the thought of getting my little story out there, just getting it out of my system.

  i am the oldest of 5 kids.

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  LisaRose

  Welcome, I read your whole story. You did very well with what was handed to you as a child. I just saw the video for the song "because of you" by Kelly Clarkson. It made me cry because it was about a young girl and how she was neglected by her father and had a lot of chaos because of her parent's bad marriage and how that affected her as an adult, that she was afraid to make choices and decisions in her life.I could relate because of the chaos of my childhood.

  You are smart to stay away from the JWs, it's a crazy little cult that has nothing to offer but guilt and a life of being enslaved to an organization. Don't ever be tempted to go back, there are plenty of better churches out there if you feel the need.

  You are young and have a whole great life ahead of you.
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  Ran into some JW's.......but this time I did the teaching ;) x

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i went out today with my broken leg and got accosted by an old lady, with some magazines.. it was my first ever encounter with a jw in ten years, and i had said 'i know you are jw's, i'm not interested thank you.

  " twice.....then she started talking about my broken leg and how wonderful we are made and how amazing the healing process is.... and that's when it all started...."i used to be a bethelite pioneer, now i'm an atheist doctor...".

  she was with me a good 30 mins, her elder husband left very annoyed but she stayed, and she was dying to hear everything i spurted out, despite aggressively defending every point, from military engines to paedophilia.

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  Good for you. I find you can say a lot to a JW as long as you are not rude or mean (assuming you aren't related to them). You must not have been rude or she wouldn't have listened to you that long. Hopefully you planted a seed that will sprout and grow.

  
  
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  JW's copied Mormons?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been doing a lot of research about mind control, cults etc which led me to look into the world and beliefs of mormons.

  the similarities between jw's and mormons are staggering!

  it's almost a carbon copy which only a few differences.. did the jw's set out to copy them i wonder?

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  LisaRose

  They are both cults, so it's not surprising there are similarities. While their individual beliefs are different, the culture is the same because cults use the same basic manipulations.

  Controlling your time by having lots of meetings and volunteer requirements so you don't have too much time to think.

  Exclusivisim, claiming to be the only route to salvation.

  Deception, hiding their history and practices. The JWs lie about their failed date predictions, The Mormons lied about Joseph Smith having multiple wives and although they have recently admitted as much I doubt they are honest about his various scams, he was just a con artist that got lucky.

  Fear and intimidation, saying that you must do everything they tell you or you will not gain salvation. Jehovah's Witnesses fear being disfellowshipped and dying at the big A, Mormons fear going to hell.

  Love bombing and relationship control. The JWs are by far the worst because of Disfellowshiping, but both groups discourage you from having friends or getting married outside the group.