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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  LisaRose

  You don't give the members of the congregation much credit and think they are all dim wits evidently.

  On the contrary, I just know the state of denial that many JWs live in. My best friend when I was a JW was one of the smartest people I know. Her son was molested by a young brother that she employed to babysit. He confessed and was privately reproved. A year later he got married to a sister with two young children. My friend was concerned that she was not aware that she was marrying a pedophile, so she informed the woman. My friend was told she should not have done that, and if she told anyone else she would be subject to a JC.

  I knew of this and was bothered, I knew there was a very great chance those children would be molested, but I thought it was an isolated incident, those elders were just mistaken, Jehovah would fix it in time, etc. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person, yet I did not see what would be obvious to any one not in a cult, that this was how they did things, and was not an isolated event, but business as usual.
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  Candace Conti Settles

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.

  but it's all quiet here.

  are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?

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  LisaRose

  I agree you can't disclose names unless it has been proven, so Silent Lambs is correct in not listing names, but what about where there has been a conviction, or a confession? Silent Lambs does disclose names when they are in the media, but does the Watchtower? It seems that the Watchtower is more interested in protecting themselves from litigation than the innocent children in the congregations.
  

  The other problem I have is that they aren't truly keeping things confidential. All the elders in a congregation often do know when there is a pedophile accusation, so they can protect their children. If they cannot disclose the names of the accused, they could disclose that there have been accusations and that parents need to be careful, then all children could be protected, not just elders families.
  

  What also bothers me about the list is that the Watchtower pretends it doesn't have a problem with pedophiles, or if they do its very rare, almost none, etc. Thus individuals are living with a false sense of security, as they have been told time and again that they live in a "spiritual paradise". If the Watchtower was honest and open about how many accusations of sex abuse are made in a given year I would guess that parents would be quite a bit more diligent in who their children visit.
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  Try Other Religions

  by Sofia Lose in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  sometimes i get a strong curiosity to start dabbling into other religions, other faiths, you know?

  really different ones such as islam, judaism, hinduism, etc.. has anyone here looked into something else?

  has your spirituality been satisfied by any other than christianity?.

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  LisaRose

  Very well put Caleb, thanks for sharing your perspective.
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  On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  child murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.

  what is new is their institutionalization.

  but even that isn't totally new.

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  LisaRose

  TIM 310RD

  It is crucial and I'm a big fan/advocate of the first amendment, however Internet bullying is already a crime

  Is it? I see bullying on the internet every day. Can you site a case where someone was arrested simply for being a bully? I do think there is a fine line between harassment and bullying, but just stating your opinion, however offensive that is, is not a crime. It's only when that opinion is consistently directed to a particular person, especially if it is due to race gender or sexual orientation that it crosses the line and becomes a crime.

  Which of the following do you think should not be a crime?

  Bullying and cyberbullying can become a crime if you:

  • Physically assaulting someone
  • Harassing someone especially if the harassment is based on gender or racism
  • Making violent threats
  • Making death threats
  • Making obscene and harassing phone calls and texts
  • Sexting
  • Sextortion which is sexual exploitation
  • Child pornography
  • Stalking someone
  • Commiting hate crimes
  • Taking a photo of someone in a place where they expect privacy
  • Extortion
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  Try Other Religions

  by Sofia Lose in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  sometimes i get a strong curiosity to start dabbling into other religions, other faiths, you know?

  really different ones such as islam, judaism, hinduism, etc.. has anyone here looked into something else?

  has your spirituality been satisfied by any other than christianity?.

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  LisaRose

  My daughter looked into Buddism, but there was an extreme Buddhist that was pushy and just as narrow minded as any JW, so no. I tried a liberal Christian Church, nice people, I saw some benefits, but since I don't believe in God it was hard to see the point.

  Have you tried meditation? It's like the best part of religion, without the woo. It's been scientifically proven to lower blood pressure and decrease anxiety and depression.
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  On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  child murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.

  what is new is their institutionalization.

  but even that isn't totally new.

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  LisaRose

  mendments can and have been repealed. If public sentiment coincides with Washington agenda, the First Amendment could be replaced. It seems as if public sentiment is already heading in that direction. I'm not predicting that it will happen, but it's certainly possible.

  No, it really isn't. The first amendment is crucial to our country, it will not be amended. You may have been one who hated the ACLU for championing causes you found to be distasteful, but they will be the first people to step in and defend you for exercising your free speech. No Washington agenda could stop free speech, nor would anyone who wants to repeal the first amendment ever get elected to attempt to drop so.

  Sorry, but this just seems like sour grapes,because your opinion is now not the majority and you don't like that.

  
  
  
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  Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.

  jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..

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  LisaRose

  They used to single out the Catholic church for the worst scorn of any other Christian religion, and with good reason, a lot of their converts were Catholics. The church has some issues, but they are in no way the corrupt religion they made them out to be. Now we know that the Watchtower has their own pedophile issues it makes their accusations all the more reprehensible.
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  Slow motion pioneers

  by 1Averagejoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  observing our local unemployed pioneers and how long they take to get to their first or next call, usually taking the longest route to get to one they know won't be there anyway.

  along the way it's gossipy this and that.

  pioneers?

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  LisaRose

  Wow, good ion you for finding a way to do actual good in the world, despite pioneering. Thumbs up!
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  shunning

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a jw on a trolley knew that other jws were shunning you would they talk to you to tell you to stop taking literature from a trolley ??

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  LisaRose

  I doubt they would say anything, for one thing it would make them look like a crazy cult to the public, for another they could count it as a placement.
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  On the Relevancy of The Institutionalization of Sin

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  child murder, sodomy & corrupting the human genome are not new sins, they are old ones.

  what is new is their institutionalization.

  but even that isn't totally new.

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  LisaRose

  t may not be long before words are criminalized. "Hate speech" is being denounced more and more. Donald Sterling is one example where the majority of people (rightfully) denounced his words. Many others have denounced the "hate speech" of anti-gay groups and the Westboro Baptist Church.
  I'm not defending any of what these groups/people say or stand for, but there has been a lot of talk in the media about censuring "hate speech". If this concept gains popularity, it wouldn't be long before "free speech" is no longer free.

  Nonsense, there is the little matter of the constitution. What is discussed when people talk about hate speech is similar to what Donald Trump experienced. He made some very racist remarks regarding people from Mexico. He has not been arrested as far as I am aware, but he there have been repercussions, as businesses try to distance themselves from him. That is certainly their right, just as it was his right to say what he did. I disagree with his remarks (which were not only racist but completely inaccurate), but I would defend his right to say what he believes.

  Denouncing is one thing, forbidding is another.