Posts by LisaRose

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Lurker trying to gain clarity

by questioningmyfaith in

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hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

i am not negative towards the wt at all.

so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

LisaRose

I am sorry but y'all are just a little too bitter for me. I could see how this would be a great forum if I was looking for people that could validate my ill-feelings towards the WT.
But I just don't care about that. Attacks on the GB are ad-hominem.

It's true you won't find many Watchtower defenders here, because the Watchtower tells people not to come to websites like this, so you are seeing only one side of the argument. If you looked at these "attacks" you would see that in most cases they are completely factual. When posters do say things that are not supported by facts you will often see people correct them.

I am not concerned with stories or examples of how they're horrible people. When it comes to personal experiences, I rarely believe them to be 100% true.And when people hold resentment and a empathetic audience its only natural for the stories to evolve to the worse case ever.

Yes, you do hear some bad stories about people being mistreated. One of the purposes of JWN is healing and help to those harmed by the Watchtower, and it is helpful to be able to discuss it. Speaking of wrong things that have been done to you is not bitterness, just stating your truth, something that was not tolerated as a JW. Most posters come here, share their stories, learn all the things they need to know, then move on in their lives. They are not bitter, just wiser.

I was a JW for thirty years, I saw enough bad things to convince me that most of what is posted here is true. And what do you think is untrue, or not possible? You certainly must know that a lot of families have been torn apart by the practice of disfellowshipping. The many lawsuits and investigations into child sex abuse should convince you they have a problem with that. You cannot deny the organization made many erroneous date predictions and can you honestly say you don't know some have committed suicide or died from refusing a blood transfusion? So what do you think is so exaggerated?

But, if you have any answers to my questions about the world getting worse and mankind destroying it I would be happy to hear. Please just send me a PM. Thanks.

It's common for people who have lost faith in the Watchtower to think that if the Watchtower magic fairy dust is not real, then there must be some other magic fairy dust to fix the world. There isn't. Thinking there there must be some better version of magic fairy dust often causes people to just join another cult or abusive group after leaving the JWs, or else give up because they can't find any other magic fairy dust solution.

This does not mean the problems facing the world are unsolvable, just that there is no one way to fix things, it takes the work of many. As Ghandi said "you must be the change you wish to see in world". So, educate yourself about world issues, advocate for common sense solutions, volunteer for a worthy organization, contribute to worthy causes, vote your conscience.

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VW emissions cheating and driverless cars

by Simon in

when i first heard about this it sounded like they just had a mode that was optimizing the vehicle's emission levels which sounded good.. turns out, they were detecting when a car was being tested to cheat the control system.. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34311819.

their shares are down 19% - but larger than the financial fallout is the trust.

this is the worlds largest car manufacturer!.

LisaRose

My husband has a Jetta and he was mad about it. It's. It's not just about passing a test and fooling the government, people made buying decisions based on this information, it's fraud on as major scale. I can't believe they thought they would get away with it.

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Today I learned - I'm incapable of having a relationship

by Garrett in

hello my dear friends,.

while this post may not be entirely witness related, i figured i'd write out my thoughts here as a form of release and reflection.. recently, a lot has changed in my life.

i'm away from home for the first time in a long while training to get certified in a field i'm not even sure i want to work in anymore.

LisaRose

You are way over thinking this. Give her a call, maybe she is just interested in a friendship, maybe not, you will never know if you don't call. Give it a go, if nothing else you have a new friend. If she isn't interested in romance, maybe she has a friend/sister/coworker who is. Take it slow, call, see where it goes. What have you got to lose?

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Having courage

by Tigerlove in

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friends

a couple of days ago, i told the girl i study with that i didn't want to be part of the study anymore.

this is the second time i've hold her this but the first time, i didn't make it clear.

when i told her the first time, she stop coming for a week or two then she randomly showed up.

LisaRose

It sounds like your whole family needs to grow a backbone. Hopefully they will follow your example and tell them they are not interested. The next time they come ask them what they think about the child sex abuse lawsuits the the Watchtower is currently involved in, also the Australian Royal Cmision investigation into their handling of child abuse cases.

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For me the worst thing is not having a helper anymore

by John Aquila in

one of the things that gave me confidence in life was that i believed i had the almighty creator/god watching over me, directing me, guiding my every step, protecting me from harm, and answering my prayers.

i now know that is not the case anymore.

i finally stopped praying.

LisaRose

look at creation and it is so complex, our feelings and emotions are something that could not have evolved (in my opinion) and the earth is so beautiful it seems crazy to think it all just happened.

I had the opposite reaction. The more I learned about our bodies and DNA and science, the more I became convinced that we had to have evolved, which helped me to see that God did not exist, so then it seemed kind of pointless to pray.

I do think prayer works for those who believe in God, because it makes you feel you have given your problems over to him and can stop worrying about them. It also works because prayer is a type of meditation, and meditation has proven health benefits.

Since I do not pray anymore, I started meditating and it has helped me a lot, more than prayer ever did.

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Who Really is ..... The Blood Washed Multitude (Great Crowd) ?

by Perry in

for jw's the issue has never been who the faithful and wise servant (f&ds) was.

that is just misdirection and sleight of hand.

it is plain from the context that this was obviously a rhetorical question meant for self introspection.

LisaRose

Trying to make sense out of the bible is much like reading tea leaves. People can read into it whatever they want, but ultimately it makes no difference.

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Blurring of genders

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

as sometimes happens at elders meetings with the co, he has a letter from the branch to read out.

this rarely is made available later so any policies have to be acted on from memory.

this visit a letter was read about blurring of the genders and in particular brothers dressing in a metrosexual style - tight clothing was mentioned again.

LisaRose

What nonsense. Of all the problems in the world, the leaders of this religion focus on tight pants. Really, who cares? Young people of every generation wear clothes that shocks the older generation. Twas ever thus and ever thus will be.

Back in my day older people got their undies in a bunch because men grew their hair long and women wore short skirts. The society used to say that short skirts were originally worn by prostitutes to attract customers, so no skirts above the knee, anything else meant you were a slut.

Meanwhile, this religion is a pedophiles paradise, but don't worry, your leaders will save you from the evils of ..... men wearing tight pants.

😕

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Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

by rebel8 in

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friends

let's review: it's a cult!.

allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

LisaRose

I actually knew of someone who was disfellowshipped for that. I was pretty sure he was schizophrenic, because he heard voices, but of course the elders thought he was demon possessed. They had to do something because he would go out street witnessing on his own, talking to the voices in his head the whole time.

Probably the best thing for him, but it seemed cruel at the time.

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Paso Robles man sentenced to 6 years in child porn case

by truthseekeriam in

by patrick s. pemberton.

[email protected] 16, 2015 updated 49 minutes ago.

facebook.

LisaRose

I have JW family in the area, it's scary to think what could have happened. I don't get why someone would stay in a religion like the JWs while doing this. Did he not believe in it and just went along for family reasons, or did he justify it to himself and believe somehow he was special and wouldn't die at Armageddon?

Kudos to the wife for going to the police.

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Fossil fish with a lung

by StarTrekAngel in

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3l6be1/living_fossil_fish_sports_a_lung_the_coelacanth/

LisaRose

Lung fish actually use their lungs, this fish has a lung that has no function. Vestigial organs are a big problem for creationists. Why would God give fish a lung that is completely non functional? I have never seen this addressed by the JWs. Why do cats and dogs have dew claws? Humans have muscles that attach to the ear, but cannot move their ears like a dog or cat would.