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  Another ruse?

  by Pistoff in

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  2. scandals

  could the stopping of construction be just another ruse to squeeze money from the rank and file?.

  it will certainly generate buzz like nothing else..

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  LisaRose

  Yes, it's shocking they would abandon a project like that. We had a situation in our little town where the city was going to use redevelopment funds to build an apartment building with retail on the ground floor. The recession hit, the state withdrew all redevelopment money and the city did not have enough to finish the project. Halfway built, it sat unfinished for five years. The city was finally able to sell the land for one million, but they had put five million into the project, so it was a huge loss.

  If they sell the land they may or may not get back what they put into it, depending on if the potential buyer can adapt the finished parts to their needs, but unfinished work is not really a selling feature.
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  Help Me Undertand...

  by DarioKehl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the 2014 annual report:.

  "worldwide, there are 115,416 congregations of jehovahs witnesses and 8,201,545 publishers.".

  i don't understand how the borg is facing financial difficulty.

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  LisaRose

  I would be tempted to think they are hiding money if they hadn't abruptly stopped building projects that they started only a year ago. Unless it's some big charade to shake people down for more money, it's just not cost effective to abandon half built projects and it makes them look like they don't know what they are doing. It makes you wonder if their is some scandal that is going to come out shortly that might cause people to leave and/or stop contributing and they are conserving cash to ride it out.

  Maybe they sent all their cash to a Nigerian Prince.
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  A simple explanation for the financial changes

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i've mentioned from time to time, i'm a retired accountant.

  i have tried many times to come up with some logical, sound business reason why the wtbs has made the big changes in its financial arrangements: taking the congregations savings, the monthly donations per congregation etc.

  i finally came up with the answer.. the leadership of the watchtower society is batshit crazy.

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  LisaRose

  They should have cleared a wack of cash from the sale of the Brooklyn properties, but they are not acting like they are sitting on wack of cash, they are acting more and more like they are tettering on bankruptcy. Congregation cash grab, begging for money, now this. Even when you factor in child abuse lawsuits and dwindling contributions, it doesn't account for this level of desperation. You don't halt projects right in the middle, it leaves you with an unsellable, half finished property, plus you lose the cost all the materials you purchased. What changed that much in a year?

  Maybe it's just a temporary cash flow issue, or maybe they have some hits on their investments, or maybe there are lawsuits we don't know about, it's hard to say. Not everything go through the courts, the Conti case cost them plenty, not just in money, but bad publicity, maybe they are being forced to settle some large claims because they are afraid more publicity will get back to the rank and file.
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  My thoughts re Pope Francis

  by ctrwtf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so today i'm watching cbs news coverage of the popes visit to america.

  first, let me say i'm not religious at all at this point in my life.

  still a few things stood out to me about the news coverage of his visit.. first thing i wondered was if a gb member happened to garnish this much press (unlikely) what would his message be?

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  LisaRose

  Pope: Peace, love, forgiveness

  Governing Body: Dont wear tight pants.

  Pope: We need to do something about climate change

  Governing Body: Dont wear tight pants

  
  

  The pope has made some good moves lately, he has spoken out on the need to address climate change for example, but he gets a C-when it comes to child sex abuse. He has at leased discussed it, but then he expressed sympathy to the bishops for having to deal with it. What about sympathy for the actual victims? This was a problem that was made worse by the hierarchy, they shouldn't get sympathy for dealing with their own mess.
  
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  LisaRose

  Research on motivated reasoningsuggests that people tend to believe what they want to believe. Muslims in particular have reason not to want to believe that mass murder on 9/11 was carried out by co-religionists in the name of their faith. This may lead some to embrace a defensive narrative where they are victims of a larger conspiracy by the U.S. or Israel to launch a self-serving war on Islam

  People believe what they want to believe

  Interesting links DJS. I think this comment says it all, people believe what they want to believe.

  You could provide a mountain of proof from climate scientists that global climate change is real, caused by man and a problem, but people will believe Rush Limbaugh, because Rush makes them feel smart that they haven't been taken by the crazy scientists and they would rather not have to give up their 15mpg Ford F-350 That they don't even use to haul anything.

  It explains why a narcissistic airbag like Trump leads in the polls right now. He tells people like this what they want to hear. He was hopelessly lost in the debate as he had no knowledge of foreign policy, but it doesn't matter to his fans.

  The same thing with the moon landings, 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc. People believe what they want to believe.

  
  
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  The bridge burning has begun.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

  i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

  so i texted her back immediately with fu..

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  LisaRose

  I am somewhat estranged from my JW sister also. The irony is that we were estranged for many years when she disassociated and I was the holier-than-thou JW. We had a few great years when we had a normal sister relationship, then she went back to be able to see her grandkids, then started drinking the kool aid. She also has some medical/mental issues that are complicating everything, I never know if I will be talking to her genuine self or her JW-wackadoodle persona. I usually take the cowards way out and just don't call.

  I have really enjoyed your contributions here on JWN. You comments are always concise, to the point and very, very funny. Please feel free to PM me also.
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  Science also accurately foretells (and Bible prophecy neutralized)

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in 1987 herbert benson, m.d., professor of medicine at harvard medical school foretold: a day will come, through meditation you can set the stage for important mind-and habit-altering brain change.

  (your maximum mind, random house, new york) he gave the reasons: over the years you develop circuits and channels of thought in your brain.

  these are physical pathways which control the way you think, the way you act, and often the way you feel.

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  LisaRose

  Interesting articles, I don't see what prophecies have to do with any of it, but meditation is indeed very powerful. I meditate regularly, it has been very helpful to me, and the more you do it the more effective it is. I have ADHD, meditation helps me more focused and effective in my work and I have been able to lower my blood pressure from a borderline high of 140 to 118.
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  The bridge burning has begun.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

  i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

  so i texted her back immediately with fu..

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  LisaRose

  Good for you. It's the JWs that are insane for expecting you to act as if you believe something when you do not, that would make you a hypocrite.

  🍹enjoy you new life as a free woman, pretending no more.
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  For those of you that are disfellowshipped, How Far Would Your Faithfull JW Family Go To Stay Loyal to The WT?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ive seen jw parents shun their disfellowshipped children for 20-30 years.

  ive seen parents remove disfellowshipped or fader children from wills and give the inheritance to the watchtower..

  if your country got run over by some form of government like the nazi regime and started a process of eliminating any groups or individuals who it considered a threat.

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  LisaRose

  n DF JW relatives especially start sending easter bunnies and christmas cards, and calls on birthdays, and talk to children and grandchildren or JW relatives against JW, it gets to the point where JW does not want to deal with DF JW at all, but for those reasons and not because they are DF.

  Do you actually know of anyone who has done that are you just speculating? I know of no ex JW who would do that, since most want to keep some semblance of a relationship with their Jw family and are sensitive to their beliefs, even if they no longer share them.

  I saw my mom a few months before she passed away. She allowed me to see her, but I couldn't stay at her house. When I got home she sent me a letter saying she couldn't talk to me anymore as she wanted to die "with a clean conscience before Jehovah". I was not told when she went to the hospital. She died a few days later.

  What kind of screwed up religion would make a mother feel she couldn't talk to her own daughter, even when she was dying in a hospital? There is no way my mom would have shunned me without the influence of the Watchtower. I would have loved to be with her at the end, to hold her hand and tell her I loved her. I will never have that and all because I simply chose not to be a Jehovah's Witness.

  
  
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  Independent living for Senior facilities are thru the roof here. What about your area??

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we checked on a new senior facility, just to get in your must shell out $200.000.00 and.

  don't get that back.

  two hundred thousand up front and payments from $2500.00-$5000.00.

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  LisaRose

  It is expensive My husband's parents are both in their eighties, they just sold their house and moved to a retirement home. They simply couldn't manage by themselves anymore, neither can drive and my MIL fell and badly broke her leg, no stairs for her and she doesn't want to cook anymore. Fortunately they owned their home free and clear, so they made enough from the sale of the house to cover the expenses for the foreseeable future.