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  My experience with some ex-JW Christians

  by opusdei1972 in

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  2. beliefs

  currently i can accept the existence of "god" if you say that "god" is a superior rational being.

  i support the idea for the existence of superior beings living in other places.

  it means to me that we, humans, are not the superior ones in the universe.

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  LisaRose

  For me, losing my faith in the JW religion ultimately caused me to lose faith in God, although it took me a number of years to complete the process. Once you start questioning most of what you so ardently preached at one time, how do you stop at just the religion? Why would you? I felt I had to to look at everything, not just the Watchtower doctrine, and when you look at belief in God with the same critical thinking skills you used to determine the Watchtower was false I believe you can only conclude that belief in God is just as false.

  I am not anti religion, as I believe it does fill a need for some people, and not all religions are as bad as the JWs, so it's fine by me if someone believes. But all major religions teach things that contradict known facts about science and the world, so don't pretend there is any logical, rational reason to believe in God, because there isn't. I look at posts by people who switch from the Watchtower to another fundamental, conservative religion and I wonder why they bothered to leave the Watchtower in the first place.

  However, some of them became very aggressive against me. One of them, after leaving the Watchtower Society went to a divinity school to learn Christian theology. This guy was one of the most aggressive, which means that his Witness fanaticism remained in him. He thought that his Bible knowledge learnt from that divinity school turned him a superior Bible interpreter. In fact, what I realized is that those theological schools are schools of quackery, where you have to learn sophisms to defend the Bible contradictions.

  I am currently reading a book about the Clergy Project. It's a program to help those clergy who have lost their faith in God. Some of what they go through is similar to leaving a cult like the JWs. They have a lot invested in their profession and most every one they know is of their faith. It can be very isolating and there can be a lot of criticism from the church hierarchy. Like any organization there is considerable pressure to maintain the status quo and hostility when they don't back down. Of course theological schools are full of quackery, how else do they convince otherwise intelligent adults to believe in fairy tales and teach them to others? But I think they are having a harder time of it these days.
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  Why do animals suffer?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bonnie is fourteen years old now and she's still fit and active, but she sleeps (and farts) a lot more and is definitely slowing down.. she loves us in her own dumb way and always comes to the door to greet me when i get home from work.

  she doesn't 'sin' but yeah, she'll steal biscuits and feel shame afterwards.

  she's loyal and intelligent and i dread the day when .

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  LisaRose

  I have lost two beloved pets to old age, a petite tuxedo cat named Cleo, who lived to 17 and a 100 pound husky/golden/german Shepard mix named Allie who lived to age 14. I had them both put to sleep when they began to suffer, I held them both in my arms while it was done, it's as close as you can get to a painless death, I just wish they did this for people in more places.

  Yes, nature can be cruel, to pretend otherwise is to be naive, but usually that death is quick, it's only when people get involved that real suffering happens. I have no tolerance for those who would adopt a pet and not take responsibility for it, or worse, deliberately make an animal suffer.

  My current cat is a bit of a hellion, she has been known to steal things and will wake us up with body slams if the food dish gets low, not pleasant at 6:00 am.. But I love her just a much as the others, if not more. She is wicked smart and quite the character and makes me laugh every day, I think she knows that is her job. If she isn't sneaking up behind me to smack me on the head she is waiting under the bed to grab my ankles. She also makes up games to play to keep herself entertained. I kept seeing her drape herself over the back of the chair and wiggle around. It took me a year to figure out she was trying to grab her tail from between the slats, lol. I have found her at the top of the stairs swinging things in her mouth to build up momentum then flinging them down the stairs to chase.
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  Adult Coloring Books

  by littlerockguy in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  anybody take up coloring?

  i got lost ocean by johanna basford and i got another coloring book mandalas and more.

  i just use crayola colored pencils and some gel pens and thin tipped markers.

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  LisaRose

  I got one for my daughter along with some nice color pencils, she's really into it. I haven't tried it myself, but I am thinking about it.
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  A change of pace...I'm leaving

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm leaving.... leaving this video here since issues have been far too polarizing lately!.

  lighten up, take a deep breath, and have a laugh.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp4nmojcfd4.

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  LisaRose

  This is Lizzie watching the super bowl. She also likes the weather report for some reason. When there is music she will sit behind the TV with her head on the speaker to listen. It took us a while to figure out why she was always sitting back there.
  
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  A change of pace...I'm leaving

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm leaving.... leaving this video here since issues have been far too polarizing lately!.

  lighten up, take a deep breath, and have a laugh.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp4nmojcfd4.

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  LisaRose

  Thank you, that was sweet and funny. I am a total cat lady. This is Lizzie, she is sitting on my shoulder right now.

  Did you know calico and tortise shell cats are almost always female? The color gene in on the x chromosone, so since females have two x chromosomes they can be two colors. One color is randomly turned off in each cell. The white is not actually a color, but a gene that removes the color. Lizzie, a tortiseshell, has one white spotting gene, calico cats have two white spotting genes. Cats with two white spotting genes have larger patches of color. A cat with no white spotting gene is a regular tortiseshell. Lizzie also has the dilute gene, which dilutes the color along the hair shaft, which is why her colors are faded. She has what they call a split face. This girl is quite the character. For one thing she likes to steal things.
  

  
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  Does this make you feel good? Coz it makes me feel bad.....

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched this clip on youtube....i can't begin to say how it made me feel.

  , i'm not sure who i am more annoyed about.

  the bloke doing the commentry, the punk shouting at a serious and should be respectful religious event, or some of the youtube comments that follow.. and i find this so disrespectful.

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  LisaRose

  It is possible that one person in that hall already had doubts about 1914. Hearing someone else (even if not in the "proper" way) express doubts about that may help such a perso

  I doubt that. When someone is this rude and childish nobody takes them seriously, they just think the Watchtower is right when they say apostates are evil and mentally diseased. Jehovah's Witnesses have a right to worship in peace as does every religion. These people could be arrested for trespassing. I fail to see how that is going to wake anyone up.

  When I was still a JW I once saw a woman standing in the median of the street, dressed all in black, including a hood covering her face. She was jumping up and down and waving a sign that said something about what Jehovah's Witnesses had done to her. I know now that the elders are capable of great cruelty and she had probably been pushed over the edge, but at the time I just thought she was a loon. It wouldn't have caused me to question anything, quite the contrary. Men trying to disrupt the memorial would not have caused me to question either, most JWs will just think Satan is trying to make things difficult for them, if anything it reaffirms their faith.

  There is a place for activism, if you think it will do any good, but the kingdom hall is not that place. In my experience people will leave when their own experiences or reasoning cause them to start to question things. Until then there is very little anyone can do to wake them up.
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  Can't Understand Why This Is Allowed

  by mariet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i moved to roseburg, oregon.

  the jehovah's witnesses are allowed to set up a display and man it right outside of the local library, and they are there every day and hour the library is open.

  i am [redacted], the director of the douglas county library system and wanted to respond to your website email of december 11, 2015. i have consulted with the county attorneys office about your concern about jehovahs witnesses use of the front porch of the library building in roseburg, and my understanding of the law is as follows.. .

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  LisaRose

  Why shouldn't they be allowed the same free speech rights as everyone else?

  Anyway, it's not like they ever actually convert anyone anymore, or even collect much money. This has got to be one of the most unfruitful activities they could possibly engage in. I say let them waste their time standing around and get on with your own life.
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  Does this make you feel good? Coz it makes me feel bad.....

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just watched this clip on youtube....i can't begin to say how it made me feel.

  , i'm not sure who i am more annoyed about.

  the bloke doing the commentry, the punk shouting at a serious and should be respectful religious event, or some of the youtube comments that follow.. and i find this so disrespectful.

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  LisaRose

  There are things that work and things that don't. Being rude and going to where people are assembled for worship and interrupting that in a childish way doesn't work. I hate this religion as much as anyone, but going to a kingdom hall and causing a stink is stupid.

  If the JWs come to my door or approach me in public I will challenge them on their false beliefs, inform them of the lies the Watchtower tells and ask them if they know that their religion protects child molesters. I might demonstrate against the Watchtower in a public place, sign a petition or write a congressman.

  Other than that they have a right to practice their religion just like anyone else.
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  "For sale: baby shoes, never worn"

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you've never come across the above title before, it's considered to be the shortest novel possible.

  a story, possibly a moving one, in just 6 words attributed to earnest hemingway.. it started a genre called "flash fiction" which is a memoir in six-words.. what would yours be?.

  indoctrinated child found freedom, love, family.

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  LisaRose

  Too soon old, too late smart
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  About my avatar

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  questions from readers .

  say, who is that in your avatar slimboyfat?

  from brother i. m. curious, usa.. that's archibald belaney aka grey owl.

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  LisaRose

  Interesting story SBF, I always wondered about your avatar.

  It seems like every family ( I am in the US) has their story about a connection to Native Americans. We just love to think we're connected to the Native culture I guess. Sounds more interesting than 'My ancestors were penniless squatters for two centuries.'

  Yeah, my family also. I was always told that my paternal grandmother had some American Indian ancestry. A relative did a geneology, it turns out that it's not true. They did discover that my paternal grandfather was illegitimate. Well, actually that was known, but the story was that my great grandmother's first husband died in the civil war. His commanding officer had promised to look after her in the event of his death, so he did, eventually having two children with her. He never officially acknowledged his children, although my grandfather did eventually take his last name.