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  Evidence for a Young Earth

  by Perry in

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  was working with a T. rex skeleton harvested from Hell Creek, she noticed that the fossil exuded a distinctly organic odor. "It smelled just like one of the cadavers [dead bodies] we had in the lab who had been treated with chemotherapy before he died," she says. Given the conventional wisdom that such fossils were made up entirely of minerals, Schweitzer was anxious when mentioning this to Horner. "But he said, 'Oh, yeah, all Hell Creek bones smell,'" she says. To most old-line paleontologists, the smell of death didn't even register. - Discover Magazine

  
  

  I am not sure what point you are trying to make with the dinosaur DNA. Somebody claims some Dino bones somewhere had an odor? So what? What proof is there the odor was decay? We're they tested? Do you have a lab report showing tissue with DNA were found in a stalagtite cave believed to be 100,000 years old? Really it sounds like some kind of modern urban legend, "The Fossils That Had an Odor!"

  You have just cut and pasted some things that prove nothing.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  But that is not the case at the monument. It is made of limesone quarried just six miles from a famous cave with identical formations.
  Also, there was no concrete in the farmers field pipe that made the big teepee mound in wyoming.
  Sounds like another "just so" explanation that doesn't add up.

  Because you will never accept any explanation.

  The stalagtites in the building could be from the mortar used in the building, water runs over the surface and picks it up and deposits it in the basement.

  I assume the farmers field had minerals that had already dissolved somewhere, maybe in an underground cave. Some water forced it to the surface where it could quickly build up. The carbonate is already there, it just needed to be picked up by the water.

  It doesn't matter because the point is that the process that takes time is the limestone naturally dissolving into carbonate to form the stalagtites. If the mineral is already dissolved, then stalagtites formation can be much faster. You can take limestone and manually crush it and add acids to dissolve it and form stalagtites quickly, but that just doesn't happen naturally in a cave, which is a set process that takes a set amount of time.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  How can dinosaur DNA be detected when DNA has been proven to have a half life of only 521 years, meaning nothing could be detected after 100,000 yrs. at most?

  
  

  They have found Dino DNA in Ice cores, the ice preserves the DNA. The record is 500,000 years . How could you have raised this as an issue without at least looking to see a possible explanation?
  
  
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  Then it should be easy for you to explain why they take "millions of years" to form in caves and just a few decades in basements.

  I did, but I guess you didn't read the explanation. I will try again.

  Limestone caves dissolves very slowly because limestone does not dissolve in water. There is a chemical interaction going on, only a tiny amount of calcium carbonate gets freed up from the limestone to form the stalagtites, it's a very slow process. In the case of cement, all that carbonate is already all freed up, so the stalagtites can form much, much faster. It is not the formation of the stalagtites per se that is slow, but the conversion of limestone to carbonate that takes a long time, and that process takes a set about of time.
  
  
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  If Jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to Magic theme parks such as Disneyland the Magic Kingdom and not be disfellowshipped for it?

  by Greybeard in

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  if jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to magic theme parks such as disney land the magic kingdom?

  i grew up a jw and we all went to disney land and magic mountain.

  if jehovah hates magic then why are these places not forbidden?

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  LisaRose

  When I was a JW I didn't see anything wrong with it. It's just fairy tales, no actual magic is involved. If you watch a show that includes a murder it doesn't mean you plan to murder anyone or think its OK to murder.

  I did know people that wouldn't go in the haunted house,which I can understand, but I personally didn't have a problem with that either. Looking back it surprising I stayed in as long as I did, I just could never be that strict about things. But then I was one of those liberal Southern California JWs they used to talk about.
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  Old Letter to the Governing Body

  by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM in

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  this is an older letter i wrote to the gb in october last year in regards to their policy around shunning of dissociated ones.

  the letter doesn't focus on the disfellowshiped, but am in the process right now of writing to them regarding their recent watchtower on shunning disfellowshipped relatives.. the letter i wrote back in october rambles on a bit, but wanted to express my frustration to the governing body about their very unfair policy toward those who simply choose to leave.. regards.

  the governing body.

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  You are correct in that shunning people for simply choosing not to be Jehovah's Witnesses is cruel and pointless. You are deluded if you think the Watchtower will ever change this. They know they will loose a good portion of their members if they were not blackmailed into staying because of the threat of being cut off by friends and family.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  Perry is the definition of confirmation bias.
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  LisaRose

  Do you think because they look identical to you that they formed in the same way? That's a heck of an assumption. You are comparing Apple's and oranges. A diamond and synthetic diamond look the same, but they were formed by a very different process.

  Limestone caves dissolve at a very slow, consistent rate that can be measured. You simply cannot compare stalagtites that form naturally in a cave with mineral deposits from a farmer's field, or a cement basement. In cement the rock has already been crushed and dissolved, greatly speeding up the process. In a limestone cave the process happens naturally and that process takes time. Barometric dating puts the stalagtites in limestone caves at 190,000 years

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  The fast-growing stalactites form via processes very different from calcium carbonate stalactites found in limestone caves. Limestone is not soluble in water. When carbon dioxide (from decaying plants in the soil above the cave) mixes with water, it forms a very weak carbonic acid. This turns the calcium carbonate into calcium bicarbonate, which dissolves. When drips are exposed to air in the cave, a little carbon dioxide escapes from them into the atmosphere, which reverses the process and precipitates a small amount of calcium carbonate. The upper average rate for limestone stalactite growth is ten centimeters per thousand years, with lower growth rates outside of tropical areas.
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  Challenge to Creationists

  by cofty in

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  in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

  predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

  entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

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  LisaRose

  To those of you who think the forum should not discuss evolution, please reconsider. Belief in creationism is a core teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses. They selectively quote statements by scientists to alter their original meaning and engage in other intellectually dishonest practices to prop up this belief. If you have figured out that the Watchtower was wrong and lied about representing God and teaching bible truths, why would not at least consider that they were wrong about evolution as well? Why are you uncomfortable with a simple discussion about it?

  Nobody is forcing you to consider these things, you can simply avoid all evolution topics if that is not your interest, but many JWs and former JWs are interested in it and do want to learn about it. Perry and others who believe in creationism are free to believe what they want, but they cannot expect to post things that are patently untrue and not be challenged on it.

  Cofty has spent a great deal of time to post on the subject. His posts are well researched and well thought out and he thoroughly understands what his subject. I have learned a lot and keep learning new things from him. Perry simply cuts and paste things he finds elsewhere. He doesn't really understand what he is cutting and pasting and can never defend it when challenged. He simply ignores it, waits a while and posts it again in a new thread. It is the worst form of intellectual laziness, Cofty is right to call him out for it.

  Instead of getting upset that there is a discussion of evolution, why not read one of the many topics that Cofty has posted in his series on evolution? They are usually short and easy to understand. Why would you not at least consider the possibility that evolution could be true?
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  Can anyone allay my suspicions?

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

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  can you allay my suspicions of wt associated activity?.

  during the last 3 to 4 co visits, i noticed a predeliction on the part of the ladt few co's for taking photos at fs meetings and photos of cong at end of visit.

  i'm beginning to suspect that such is not because the co's have a newly found socially engaging disposition (being cool).

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