So because some people in Iceland believe in Trolls, and Iceland is a secular country, it means that Atheists have all just traded in one set of superstitions for another? That's patently ridiculous. Not being religious does not necessarily mean you are an atheist, it simply means you are not religious. Now if you had a statistic that said the X percentage of Atheists believe in Trolls, you might make a case, but you don't have that.
LisaRose
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When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes anything - G KChesterton
by slimboyfat ini have been reading rodney stark's new book triumph of faith, where he makes his argument afresh that religion is alive and well.
in fact he says it's doing better than ever, and we are in the middle of a revival of faith.
above is a particular quote he likes to use when refusing secularisation.
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Why Are You Here?
by Believer ini'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.
as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.
as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.
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LisaRose
Why should believers leave just because not everyone here is also a believer? We talk about many subjects, most of them not related to belief in God. As ex JWs we all have a lot of things of mutual interest, so why wouldn't you just engage in those threads? Is everything an atheist says somehow tainted because we don't believe in God? Is your faith so weak that you will lose it if someone challenges your thinking?
As a believer you have many choices. You could simply avoid threads that discuss whether God exists, or you could read those threads with an open mind and not participate, or you can choose to debate your belief in God. It's entirely up to you. So why leave and miss out on the things that are offered here just because not everyone believe the same as you?
Personally I enjoy talking with everyone, believer or not. If I wanted to just be with people who all believe the same thing as I do I would have just stayed a JW.
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Sometimes I feel like I Should Believe something...
by freemamaof3 inhas anyone else felt like they should believe something after leaving wt?
i am an agnostic atheist and its so so hard for me to believe in a god or higher power.
it just doesn't make sense.
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LisaRose
I did at first find the uncertainty uncomfortable, but that went away as time went on and I accepted that this life is all there is.
I belief in my family and friends and beautiful sunsets and creativity and that is enough for me.
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My life has ended (be careful what you wish for part 2)
by nevaagain innoone and nothing can really prepare you for the burning pain you feel when your spouse leaves you after 8 years of marriage.
from one day to another, all your dreams, hopes and plans are shattered.. i still have so many questions which will remain unanswered in eternity.. the thread i made a few weeks ago, is part of this story.
after learning about ttatt my plans involved to wake up my wife as well and exit the truth.
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LisaRose
I will probably get the blame that I am a coward for not leaving the truth alone when I woke up. I can say I am guilty for that point, but I am also guilty for loving my wife more than the truth or more than TTATT. I always wanted for us to do the things together and accomplish things together, finally I wanted to grow old with my wife one way or another.Stop feeling guilty! That is a Watchtower induced reflex, to blame yourself for not being perfect. Maybe you would do thinks differently if you knew how they would turn out, but you didn't (and couldn't ) have known, you did the best you could based on what you knew at the time, so stop blaming yourself, just stop.
Being older I have seen a lot of marriage fail and I can tell you that it's very likely that she would have eventually left you no matter what you did. If she feels she married too young then that means she didn't feel happy or fulfilled, even if on the surface things seemed to be going well. She was just stuffing those feelings down because she thought she was stuck, it doesn't mean she was happy. Lack of fighting does not necessarily mean a good marriage, it can also mean you just don't care anymore. Would you really want to have stayed married to someone who feels they made a bad decision to marry you? Your leaving the religion gave her the out she wanted and she took it. I think you both will be better off in the long run, however painful that is in this moment.
The end of a relationship us never easy, so give yourself some time to grieve, to heal and to reflect. You will move on from this and hopefully meet someone better, someone who loves you and wants to be with you.
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Successful Leaver
by 2True ini was raised in the cult, a 'golden boy' in jw about 15 years ago.
regular pioneer, went to pioneer school and then mts.
my dad is a gilead graduate and is still a serving elder.
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LisaRose
Why is it that most books do not say 607 ?
Because that is not when Jerusalem fell, no reputable bible scholar believes that Jerusalem fell in 607. The Watchtower only clings to that date because it makes their chronology work. As justification they say that the bible makes mention of "70 years of desolation", which they insist is a literal time period that doesn't work with 587. But other groups reconcile the 70 years with the 587 date, and the Watchtower itself teaches that the 70 years of desolation is figurative in the case of the fall of Tyre. It makes no sense that "70 years of desolation" is figurative in one case but must be literal in another. It's clear that the Watchtower is insisting that the 70 years is a literal time period only because the 607 date supports their chronology of 1914.
Put that with their failed generation predictions and you can only conclude they haven't gotten one thing right.
For a complete explanation:
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slimboyfat joins the Mormons!
by slimboyfat ini know that some people on the board have experience of being mormons, so i would be interested in your feedback.
at church this afternoon it was an uncanny experience.
in the past i've read a lot about mormons, so i thought i was prepared in general for what it would be like.
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LisaRose
I guess if you don't like the JWs but miss being in a cult that would be one way to go. I'll pass, I'd miss my gin and tonics. Actually I've cut down to one a week, but I'm not giving up that one.
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Is this the best you have to offer. Trump / Clinton?
by Lostandfound inhere in uk we have appalling choice between cameron / corby and some also rans.
are trump/clinton best the worlds superpower can offer up?
all candidates for office seem to be flawed , are no genuine people putting themselves forward?
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LisaRose
I am going to hold my nose and vote for Hilary. I do not like her and have serious questions about her integrity, but her politics are fairly close to mine and I believe she is by far the lesser of two evils. Trump is a narcissistic jerk, I can't imagine his presidency would be anything but a disaster.
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New to JWD, Hello!
by jwundubbed inmy story in a nutshell... .
scientist for a father; extremely mentally ill, 'annointed' mother.
was privy to and also suffered a lot of abuse.
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LisaRose
Welcome, thank you for sharing your story.
Lisa 🌹
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Should I just tell my parents
by BlackWolf inlately i've been feeling just so fed up with this stupid religion i really can't take it anymore!
i'm starting to think that maybe i should just tell my parents how i really feel.
if they treat me too badly or kick me out i could probably stay with my non jw aunt.. ive just reached my breaking point, i don't really care what people think of me anymore.
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LisaRose
You are making things difficult for yourself, it doesn't have to be like that. Saying that you "can't take it anymore" is a self fulfilling prophecy and set you up to make some very bad decisions. Step back from that and change the dialog in your head to "I am very frustrated right now, but I can do this". Develop some strength of character and focus on your schoolwork and prepare for your future life. I know a year seems like forever, but it will pass and if you are focusing on your goals it will pass that much quicker. Learning to deal with stress and channel your energies appropriately is a valuable life lesson.
Every seventeen year old feels frustration at being close to adult hood but still having to be under their parents rules, being a JW just adds another level of complexity to the whole mix. If you feel you have to tell them your true feelings, then do so, but be aware that it could make your situation much more difficult in the coming year, depending on how they react. Yes, your parents will be disappointed if you express your true feelings, but that doesn't mean their love is conditional, only that they want what's they believe to be best for you. No matter what happens, show respect and love to them, you do owe them that.
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They call me TaterSalad
by TaterSalad inmy name is tatersalad.
i have been disassociated for about six years now.
i have moved past most of my jw issues, but i feel like it would be cool to get to know others like myself.
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LisaRose
Welcome Tatersalad!
Lisa 🌹