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  VERTIGO: 'My head is moving through space where, in reality, it is not.'

  by compound complex in

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  greetings, fellow posters:.

  wishing you well and offering my sympathy if you've ever experienced vertigo.

  my neighbor is a physical therapist and told me about the epley maneuver, which i am now researching.. have you ever been through this hell of total incapacitation?.

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  LisaRose

  My husband had vertigo, he used the maneuver and it worked.
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  Origin of Life

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

  as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

  there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

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  I don't think it will make much difference to those theists that do not believe in evolution currently. There is now pretty much overwhelming evidence that we evolved, yet a certain percentage of believers will not accept it, so they probably will not accept any new evidence of how life originated either, they will just say scientists are mistaken or making it up.

  As far as theists who accept evolution, I doubt any new findings will cause them to lose their faith in God, they will just accept the new evidence, but still feel that God exists, because they prefer to believe God exists.
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  I've been in love with a Jehovah Witness without knowing it for a long time, he hid it from everyone.

  by sakurafeathers in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hello :) so i know this guy for almost 6 years, i met him when i was 15 and i felt in love.

  now i’m 21 and he is 22. we were in the same class and got along very well and he seemed to like me too.

  when i confessed, face to face he haven't admitted and he haven't denied it and he acted like he liked me too but couldn't be with me because reasons bigger than him, but i was too young to understand and he was young to handle the pressure he had.

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  LisaRose

  I am glad you understand what you are up against and are trying to move on.

  Of course the best thing would be if he could leave, but that's a hard one. If he really knew the history of the religion he belonged to he might see that it is not at all what it claims to be. The problem is that Jehovah's Witnesses have been conditioned to suspect and not believe any thing that is critical of the Watchtower, and that goes double if it is from former members, as we are considered "mentally diseased apostates". This is how cults work and why it is so hard to break free. Even after I left the religion I still had some of this thinking, because it took me eight years before I felt comfortable enough to talk to other former members, I still believed the lie that they were all bitter vindictive people who want to destroy the faith of JWs. You can show a JW direct proof from a major newspaper that the Watchtower lied and they will say it's just a trick of Satan, it's hard to combat that kind of thinking.

  If you are interested, I have compiled a list of suggestions on how to help people break free of the Watchtower. It's compiled from various posters who have been successful.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5729160790016000/guide-helping-other-break-free

  It has some ideas on things to talk about, some information on cults and how they work and shyly me references.
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  Does it not dawn on the cart witnesses?

  by jambon1 in

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  i sat in town recently, right in the window of a nice wee pub.

  within minutes i realised that i had a perfect view of a jw cart and the two ridiculously dressed jw's (they have absolutely no individuality at all.

  what's more, they all look like they're going to a funeral).

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  LisaRose

  I stopped going on the door to door work once I realized how pointless and ineffective it was. I couldn't imagine God being pleased that I wasted a morning doing absolutely nothing of any value. The street work is no different, a lot of time and energy wasted just to be able to mark some hours down on a piece of paper.

  It's all about pleasing the organization, nothing to do with service to God.
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  Cold war on homefront!

  by LifesNotOver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a few months back i let it be known to my husband that i was no longer interested in anything jw related.

  when he took it to the elders, without actually divulging anything that might get me disfellowshipped like apostasy - well, he just basically told them i was all depressed and discouraged and everything and that i didn't want to be contacted by the elders about it.

  i don't know what he actually told them, word for word, or what they actually said to him word for word, but he told me they told him not to do anything spiritual with me at home anymore - no bible study, praying, daily text, meetings via phone, jw broadcasting, discussions, etc.

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  I'm sorry you are going through this, it sounds horrible. I don't know all your circumstances, but you may at some point have to consider moving on from the marriage. By all means give counseling a try, but in my experience most people don't want to change, they want the other person to change. Without obligation imposed upon you by the religion, what is there holding you two together?

  Be honest in what you say in counseling, don't sugar coat it in an attempt to not be the bad guy. Your needs and wants are just as important to his, he doesn't get to dictate conditions because you chose to walk away from the religion. Don't feel guilty because you changed or cater to his Watchtower fueled delusions of a woman's place in the marriage.

  Lisa 🌹
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  I've been in love with a Jehovah Witness without knowing it for a long time, he hid it from everyone.

  by sakurafeathers in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hello :) so i know this guy for almost 6 years, i met him when i was 15 and i felt in love.

  now i’m 21 and he is 22. we were in the same class and got along very well and he seemed to like me too.

  when i confessed, face to face he haven't admitted and he haven't denied it and he acted like he liked me too but couldn't be with me because reasons bigger than him, but i was too young to understand and he was young to handle the pressure he had.

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  LisaRose

  My suggestion is to move on in your life and forget him. I know that is harsh, but you need to face reality. He is very conflicted between his beliefs and his feelings for you, but he needs to pick one and commit, otherwise there is no future for you, he is doing you a disservice by holding out hope of a possible relationship, it's cruel. The problem is that this is not a normal religion, it is a cult. They keep people tied up in these feelings of fear, obligation and guilt, it's really difficult to get them to make rational, independent decisions.

  Even if he did marry you your life would forever revolve around his beliefs. You may think you could work with that, but it will get old. He will be looked down on for having married outside "the truth", you will be considered less than by everyone he knows. What happens when you have children? Do you want them going to the kingdom hall to be told everyone but Jehovah's Witnesses will die soon at Armageddon? Trust me, he will feel an obligation to teach them these things. Do you want to celebrate Christmas, birthdays and other holidays by yourself? This is the reality of life as an "unbelieving mate".
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses - a religion of displaced people?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've had a theory for a long time that jws historically have appealed to people who have been displaced or find themselves in a new environment away from family and friends.

  i also read an article recently that suggested that internal migration in italy was a big boost for jw growth.

  more generally it has long been theorised that new religious movements are a phenomenon particularly associated with disruptive features of modernity, including the hyper-mobility of people in the modern age.

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  I believe there is some truth to that. People who are lonely or struggling are probably more likely to listen to a Jehovah's Witness who comes to their door. They are friendly, many are personable, they will come to your house and study with you, someone struggling in a new area might be vulnerable to that.

  After I left the religion my daughter started studying with some JWs that came to her door. She was a new mom and was just lonely. Fortunately she came to her senses and started looking into things more and realized it was not for her.
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  Daughter doesn't want me to push my beliefs on her

  by jws in

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  2. friends

  so i was talking with my daughter the other day and she tells me that she doesn't want me to push my beliefs on her.i am agnostic.

  which isn't a belief.

  it's a lack of belief.

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  LisaRose

  I guess all I can do is show her again and again where blind faith is a problem and rationalism is better.

  I don't think that will work. No one wants to be told they are wrong, especially not over and over, she will resist and shut down and you will do more harm than good.

  The best you can do is ask questions designed to get her to think and to listen without judgements to her thoughts. It's a process that takes time and patience and a great deal of self control. Hearts and minds are never changed overnight. Think of it like nurturing a plant, you must water it carefully, not too much or too little, and wait for it to grow, more water will not make the plant grow faster, it can only use so much at a time. Telling someone over and over that faith is a problem and rationalism is the solution is like dumping gallons of water on a tiny seedling, it won't make it grow faster it will just kill it.
  
  
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  "Mother" Teresa—a Fraud?

  by Saename in

  1. social
  2. current

  i often comment in threads that interest me on this forum.

  moreover, some of you may know that i study the history of early christianity.

  i once wrote an extensive comment on the historicity of jesus' existence in one of the threads.

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  To justify her sainthood they used the example of a woman who claimed that MT cured her tumor by placing her religious metual on it. The only problem is that at least one doctor who treated her claimed that it was not a tumor, but a cyst, so not so miraculous after all. You would think that if she had even minor faith healing abilities they could come up with better examples than that.

  But then why should the church question things too much, creating a saint is a sure money making proposition.
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  DNS Issue (Problem Accessing Site)

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  if anyone had any issues accessing the site over the last 24 hours or so, i finally tracked it down to a dns issue that was affecting users of google dns in certain zones.

  the issue was caused by a rouge dnssec entry left by the registrar (godaddy) when they did an update which caused some dns lookups to fail.. hopefully it should be fixed now but may take a while to ripple through to everyone due to caching..

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  LisaRose

  Glad it's fixed, I was going through JWN withdrawal.