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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  LisaRose

  Well, if only you had suceeded.
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  It’s My Anniversary!

  by jp1692 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  today is the four year anniversary of the last time i set foot in a kingdom hall.

  it was the day of the kool-aid issue of the wt!

  “at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

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  LisaRose

  Happy anniversary! it's been 18 years for me.

  Nice to know at least some people recognized how cultish it was to announce they were going to ask people to do really stupid things.
  
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  Are you affected by Seasonal Affective Disorder?

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i intimate in the words below, i like autumn and winter, but there's a downward spiral in my emotions.

  i'm in control, yet, .

  rain, at long last, has touched both our land and my soul.

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  LisaRose

  Yes, I get seasonal depression, some years worse than others. The last few years have generally been better due to exercising more and eating better. This year is a bit worse, I got the bug that's been going around, three weeks now, just starting to feel better, the time in bed has not been helpful, as well as not being as motivated to eat fruits and veggies.

  Knowing it will get better as the days get longer helps get me through.
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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  LisaRose

  You wouldn't be the first I've seen.

  The religion is somewhat like communism, it sounds great in theory.

  In actual practice, not so much.
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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  LisaRose

  When asked, JR Brown cleared that up 15 years ago, stating the rule included other evidence instead of “a second witness”.

  Because Elders will do what they read about what the organization says in the media, not what it states in the elders manual, right?😏

  I am beginning to think you not only were never an elder, you have never really been associated with the organization as a member either.

  Only someone who has no actual experience of the religion would be that clueless about it.
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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  LisaRose

  Agreed, the woman had a duty to protect her children and should have been better informed, but I have found that some Jehovah's Witnesses tend to be a bit gullible and also put a lot of trust in fellow believers. It's not just JWs either, it's human nature to believe what we want to believe, to see what we want to see. The sad reality is that this woman went on to marry the pervert anyway. You can't fix stupid I guess. I often wonder about those children and how it turned out for them. At least my friend didn't have to feel guilty knowing she could have said something and didnt.

  And yes, this is an unverified story. This is a discussion board, People come here to discuss their experiences, there is no way to know if any of them are true really, so people can believe the story or not, it doesn't hurt my feelings any. Frankly it's pretty mild compared to some stories I've read, so I don't get why it seems so unbelievable. I only used it to illustrate the disconnect between what the Watchtower says about protecting children and what actually happens in reality.
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  The Governing Body's credibility

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  given the proliferation of websites, youtube channels, books and other forms of media attention focusing on the extreme policies, teachings and scandals of the watchtower bible and tract society; where does this now leave the governing body's credibility?.

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  LisaRose

  They never had any credibility with anyone outside of the organization, so I doubt media attention has changed that any. I do think they have lost credibility with some in the organization, not because of media attention, but because they chose to start appearing in videos and looking like idiots, obsessing over tight pants and other silly things.
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  How much paper has the WT used to print its publications?

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so... i am doing a crazy stat: how many pieces of paper has the wt ever published?.

  i don't have the answer yet, but.... i do have the approximate answer for the awake!

  and the watchtower magazines.... get ready... it's a whopping 1.1 trillion pages!.

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  LisaRose

  Let's just say they have produced enough to line a lot of birdcages, which is about all they are really good for.
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  Goodbye my friends.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for almost 12 years now, i have been coming to this site on a regular basis and in the last 5, i “faded out”.

  i never regretted this and never will.

  unfortunately though, yesterday, i realized that, until i can publically tell all my old acquaintances why i have left, i will never be truly free.

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  LisaRose

  You have to do what works for you, so good luck.

  Doesn't mean you can't check in from time to time and let us know how you are doing though.
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  Pope meets victims of child sexual abuse in Chile and cries with them. WHAT ABOUT THE GB, WHEN WILL THEY FOLLOW RCC???

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the title speaks for itself.

  lots of coverage of the pope's personal (!

  about a month ago we all could read jochie's post regarding investigation of sexual abuse among jw's in the netherlands.

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  LisaRose

  Just before I posted the link, you were no doubt more than happy to make an equal comparison.

  And you accuse me of speculation?

  Secondly, elders don’t investigate abuse. All they are doing is attempting to corroborate an accusation (dealing with sin — the police deal crime).

  What is attempting to corroborate if not an investigation? Spitting hairs.

  Thirdly, you are lying. Where in print, or implication, is an attitude that abuse “doesn’t happen here”? Please prove that.

  I well remember sitting in the kingdom reading the Kingdom ministry that said sexual abuse of children was very rare among jehovah's Witnesses, because they don't have Clergy or priests. I remember reading many times that Jehovah's Witnesses live in a "spiritual paradise". I was associated for thirty years, so I think I know what I am talking about and I don't appreciate being called a liar, please try to keep the discussion civil.

  oruthly, you are ignorant of the two-witness rule (or playing ignorant). It’s an allegation, with corroborating evidence, including BUT NOT LIMITED TO, a physical eye witness. This is the base standard of all civilized justice systems.

  Maybe that is the way the two witness rule should work, but in the hundreds of cases I have read about, that is not how it did work. Multiple cases may be spread out over many years, and over multiple congregations making it unlikely for it to be applied that way. It's not necessarily deliberate on the part of the elders, but more of a systemic problem, which the organization has not addressed.

  Just to give you an example of some the problems that happen, in a case I knew of personally: This was my best friend, who had a young son that was sexually abused by a young brother she hired to babysit. At first the elders acted appropriately. The brother confessed and was reproved, the courts got involved, he was put on probation. About a year later the brother got engaged to a young woman with two children. My friend was concerned that this lady was unaware of the danger to her children, so informed her of his history. My friend was told this was none of her business, that the man was forgiven and given a clean slate, that if she said anything else about it she would be disfellowshipped.

  I was astounded. These elders felt it was OK to put these children in harm's way with no warning to the mother. If you know anything about child sex abuse you know that there is a high rate of ricidivism. It's simply naive to think that someone is just going to stop abusing children because he said he was sorry and will have a wife now, that's not how it works.

  Fifthly, you are just speculating about an alleged “conflict of interest”. The fact that very few elders are accused of child abuse means that there is no incentive for them to cover for each other.

  So, elders don't investigate elders?

  It's simple human behavior, in a small tight group such as an elder body It's hard to be impartial. It's not that the elders don't care or aren't trying to do right in most cases, it's the system that's at fault.