Posts by LisaRose

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

LisaRose

DIsmissing Servant. I am sorry Lisa..but I don't like when people are beeng named trolls! I think Change Name is an apologist.....that's allright with me, but he/she has made a lot of effort to respont in the threads. Treat him/her with respect..we have all been JW-apologists! Well, at least most of us....including me.

You are right, I did not mean to use that term, I think it is over used and not right in this case anyway. I meant to say he is a apologist. I doubt he is a bible student as he says, but he is not a troll. Change Name, I apologize for calling you a troll. I still will not respond to further posts, as I feel you are not considering my points, but are just restating the same tired arguments as the WTBTS

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

LisaRose

LisaRose - You must understand that I do not have a full understanding of their past interpretation of Bible prophecies. I know what they teach today. From what I have read from the Jehovah's Witnesses, they have interpreted Bible prophesies and applied them to the time they lived in. They think that Jesus will bring the kingdom to Earth in their lifetime. There is nothing wrong with that. The 1st century Christians definately believed that Jesus would return to the Earth during their lifetime. It appears as if you believe that a Christian should not look forward to Jesus' return and anybody who does believe this are false prophets.

That is not what I was saying at all, as Christians we all should look forward to that. But as the bible says, no one know the day or the hour. What I object to is the WTBTS insistence that this end will come on a certain date, or even that it must come I our lifetime, when there is no evidence of that. I also object to the fact that they lied about Russell's predictions, they told me that he predicted That the last days would START in 1914, whiich is a lie. He predicted the END of the last days in 1914.

Again, it is not so much the failed date prediction (although that is bad enough), as it is the fact that they lied about it later, as they have about many things. I cannot abide lying.

I am now convinced you are a troll as others were saying. It is clear you are came here not to seek the truth, but to perpetuate the lies of the Watchtower. I will not respond to your posts again.

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Belated Intro to Rubadubdub. My hubby lurked on JWN for the first time last night!

by rubadubdub in

i'm so excited-my hubby who faded over 30 years ago finally lurked here on jwn!.

i've been posting on a few threads here and there for a while now, but have not officially introduced myself.

i have told bits and pieces of my story already.

LisaRose

Welcome, my dub life was very similar to yours. My parents and I converted in 1969 when I was 13. I married young, my husband was disfellowshipped within two years, but I stayed and tried to make it work (bad decision on my part). I had two children who both refused to join (smarter than me I guess). My daughter also attempted suicide. In hind sight, I can see how the lies of the Watchtower kept me from living a fulfilling life, how it kept me from being my best self.

I am so glad you found your way here. Learning TTATT is a very important step for those who leave. Once you understand how you were manipulated you can be free to heal and recover. I have been out 12 years, and it just gets better and better.

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No one who leaves "the truth" is ever happy?

by El_Guapo in

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for years, i was told this..... " anyone who leaves the org is bitter, sad, and worse off, why do you think they come back???

guess what guys i am the opposite, now i quit cold-turkey (looking back, i should have faded correctly) i am planning on going to the memorial this month just to hear all "the friends" tell me how much they missed me.

since i have left the meetings, (jan. was my last meeting, i think).

LisaRose

This is is a common Jehovah's Witness misconception, promulgated by the WTBTS. It is miind control tactic. They tell everyone that they would be miserable if they leave, lost, cut off from Jehovah. JWs have heard this so nuch they believe it to be true, and it makes them afraid to leave. They are not allowed to talk to former members, so they don't know if it is true or not. The only truth to it is that yes, if you are being shunned by your family or friends, that does not feel good, it's hurtful and cruel. But aside from that, many ex JWs have very happy lives. I have never been happier, although when I say this to JWs, they simply do not believe me. My JW sister says things like this to me all the time. When I correct her and say that actually my life is great, she just ignores that, and will later deny I said any such thing. Mind control is a powerful thing.

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OMG...I missed the whole SPARLOCK craze....

by Pyramid Scheme in

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i hadn't been on the board to visit much last year, so i have been going back and poking around through the older threads since i started to post here.

i was on jwfacts.com, and noticed paul had posted a brief article about the jw video and the evil sparlock the warrior wizard.

we have no children, and i never got those videos anyway (even when i was still an elder), so when i went back and read all of the old threads, i was crying laughing.

LisaRose

It's a good reason to keep checking in on JWN from time to time, otherwise you might miss these things. I was truly convinced at first that the was a very clever spoof. I have been out a while, I guess I forgot how truly out touch and disconnected the GB is from what is going on in the real world, that they think this is normal behavior in a parent. Then they wonder why the young ones don't want to stay.

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POLL: How long did you remain a JW from point of baptism to leaving the KH

by Terry in

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i was baptised --1963. left in 1978. fifteen years.

pre-baptism, another 5 years.

LisaRose

30 years. 1969-1999

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

LisaRose

Hi LisaRose - You say that from experience that they use this "theocratic warfare" to excuse cover up and misrepresentation. I do not understand your example. Russell thought that the gentile times would end in 1914 and that the end times would start in the same year. Okay, they believe that. From what I understand, the end times will last for an indefinate period of time which will culminate in the great tribulation and then Armeggedon. I know from talking to many who were there in 1975 that they were hoping that the great tribulation and then Armegeddon would be in that year. But they also knew that many other prophesies would need to be revealed. They always looked forward and never let up their preaching activities. So how did they invoke this "theocratic war strategy" in regards to 1975?

LE ME: You have it all wrong, Russell did not expect the end times to START in 1914, he expected them to END. He thought Armageddon was to be in 1914. It was only when it didn't come that they made up the "invisible presence" silliness, as a way to explain away the failed prophecy, a tactic that has served them well when their predictions fail, as they always do, as when they predicted the end in 1897, 1925, 1975, etc.

So 100% failure on predictions so far, why would you believe anything they say, it's obvious they are just making it up as they go along? Yeah, that's the ticket, 1897, no, it's 1914, I'm sure of it, wait, no, it must be 1925. Hmmm..... 1975, yes, that's it, it must be! (Fake date, day for a year, more fake dates, dodgy math, yup it all works) You don't need college when the world is ending within months. Oh snap, bad, bad sheeples, you went ahead (by believing us) it wasn't anything WE said, but still, it's right around the corner, soon, before this generation passes away. But, wait, didn't we tell you, a generation could overlap, yeah, that's right, A generation could be more than one, see? (Hee hee, they fell for the "overlapping generations", oldest trick in the book). Join us now, the big A is coming, must be soon, we said so.

This emperor has no clothes, if you choose to pretend he does, well enjoy the ride.

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

LisaRose

I think the leadership in this religion are psychopaths. I think the destructive nature of this organization shows the GB lack any moral sense whatsoever. They will do anything and everything to keep in power and hide their true nature and their history of lies and manipulations. I think the psychopathic nature of the leaders influences every member through the policies and doctrines.

I think that, to the extent that the followers adopt these policies, they too become psychopathic. For example, if a parent shuns a child simply because they no longer want to be Jehovah's Witness, that is not normal human behavior. That they could show no natural affection to their own child because a nameless body of men told them to, is psychopathic. I know some JWs who do this reluctantly, who have mixed feelings. There is hope for them, they are just under cult mind control. I know others who are able to turn their love off like a faucet and don't give it a second thought. I believe they were either psychopathic to begin with, or have adopted a psychopathic personality because of the influence of the leaders.

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

LisaRose

One thing I have noticed is that former JW's choose their beliefs over their families. Why did you choose your belief over that of your family? Why is your beliefs better than Christianity? This is what you are telling your family. Your beliefs are better than Christianity. It was your choice, not your family, to leave Christianity.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not an apologist, but you have proved that is indeed what you are. Your statement that those who were formerly Jehovah's Witnesses "choose their beliefs over their families" shows your bias. Am I supposed to be a Jehovah's Witness, even if I do not believe it? If I was contemplating becoming a JW, but my family was Catholic, should I then chose my family over my beliefs, according to your logic? Excuse me, your JW double standard is showing.

You also seem to be under the delusion that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian religion, which also shows you are an apologist. There are many former Jehovah's who consider themselves Christian, as I do. Although I am imperfect, I strive to apply Christian principles in my life, yet you would presume to tell me I am not Christian, based on the fact I am no longer a Jehovah's Witness. That's rich, it is actually the Governing Body that repudiates Christ's sacrifice by insisting that rigid adherence to their own man made rules is necessary for salvation. Did you see the latest org chart that puts the GB right below Jehovah? Jesus isn't even in the picture, hmmmm.... this is a Christian religion? Can't tell by looking.

It is true that some former members are Athiest, the Watchtower is very good at creating Athiests it seems. So for them, yes, they are choosing their beliefs over Chrisianity, duh! Should they pretend to be Christian, even if they don't believe it? How absurd.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

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however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

LisaRose

I converted to this religion in 1969, at the height of the 1975 hysteria. I was one those who studied using the blue Truth book. Up until then, the Dubbies would study with you as long as you were willing. Beginning with this book, you were expected to progress to baptism within six months. They didn't have time to waste on unbelievers, the end was too close! I was 13, and I studied along with my parents. I was a believer, I was told that 1975 marked six thousand years of man's existence, and that the end of this system started in 1914, and that this was predicted by Charles Russell. (a lie, he thought Armageddon would come in 1914). I was told that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass away before Armageddon. So many indications, only a fool would not believe the end was close!

The WTBTS was careful to be somewhat ambiguous in the literature, but every JW I knew expected that the end of this system would come in 1975. Then, as the date grew nearer, something strange happened. All of a sudden, the Society stopped talking about it. 1975 came and went with no mention from the Watchtower. Then the Watchtower came out and said they never said Armageddon would come in 1975, some had just "gone ahead", it was all our fault. I was stupid, I actually bought into it, oh yeah, stupid me, I misinterpreted the literature, my bad. Within a few more years, nobody even woulwould admit tgey believed in 1975, as that would mean you were just "serving for a date". Now most JWs know very little, if anything about this, its just buried, like all the others false predictions. Sad.