Posts by LisaRose

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I have a serious problem

i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

I agree with Oubeliette. Imagine that you were still a believing JW and your wife was Catholic. Would you allow a priest to indoctrinate your son into the Catholic faith against your wishes? Would you meekly accept it when he refused to even discuss it?

I know it's hard, but you must stand up to these clowns. It's hard because you have been conditioned to meekly accept the authority of the elders. Even when you realize it's not "The Truth" you are still being affected by the mind control and they still are exercising authority over you. They only have the power you give them.

Tell your wife that if she is not respecting your headship and it needs to stop. Personally I think the headship thing is nonsense, but supposedly she should still follow it. Tell her you will study the bible with your son and use that as an opportunity to counter the Watchtower indoctrination. That way you can help him see the Watchtower is not following the bible.

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The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

by stuckinarut2 in

oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

- prayer.

- personal study.

LisaRose

Ahh, the five most important thing to do as a JW, the solution to all problems, the cure for all ills, Watchtower snake oil. Depressed?Pray more. Sick? More field service will fix that. And if that doesn't work you lack faith and didn't try hard enough.

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Trend of Fewer Baptisms Continues: Latest JW Conventions in New Zealand

by steve2 in

the round of "international" conventions that started in the middle of last year in the states "wrapped" up last weekend in new zealand.

there was some media converage (from which i derived the information that follows).

(someone who knows how to copy links may be able to provide the relevant media links?).

LisaRose

It almost would have been worth it going to the convention to see a baptism talk with no takers. *Awkward* they can't even get nut jobs and little children to join the cult these days.

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Why attack?

by newqatarjob in

as someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!

) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.

i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.

LisaRose

Well, he certainly got the board all fired up, I haven't seen this many posts on a topic in a long time.

My feeling about the people who choose to come on here saying nonsense like this is that they know deep down we are right and they just can't really admit it to themselves yet, it's easier to attack others than accept that they bet on the wrong horse. A truly believing JW wouldn't get near this site.

It's just a matter of time now.

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The Secret is out....but nobody cares

by MrTheocratic in

i've been looking on this site for some time but never posted.

i'll give a little about myself, but not too much.

i'm a ex-bethelite ( brooklyn )and currently serving as an elder (10 years) (thinking about stepping down) on the service committee.

LisaRose

Welcome to the forum. I have been out a long time, fifteen years, so I don't have any idea what is going on with individuals in the organization, but it wouldn't surprise me if many are having doubts like what you are seeing. I also think it could be a regional thing, as I live in California and in my experience JWs were different than JWs in more conservative states.

I think many JWs are in a state of cognitive dissonance. On one level they still believe, but they also see and believe things that contradict those beliefs. One indication that a person has a faith that is weakening is their zeal in the field ministry. Supposedly this is life saving work, a core belief and a requirement to be approved by God and live through Armageddon. If a JW does a token hour or two on Saturday, and most of that spent knocking at the doors of empty houses, driving around or on coffee breaks, then that is a indicator that they actually don't believe everything taught by the Watchtower. I think most JWs fall into this category.

I think they stay because they still believe it's a good way of life, they don't want to loose family, they don't like change or some combination of those things. A person could go on for quite a while in a state of cognitive dissonance, coasting along as a JW. It's only when they reach a crisis point for some reason that they may be motivated to leave. Either the cognitive dissonance becomes to much, or they are mistreated by the elders or other witnesses, or some other life crisis.

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Trying to live the rest of my life without being bitter.

by Bigdummy in

i'm new to this forum.. i was raised in " the truth" from age six and now i am in my mid 60's.

my wife was born in " the truth" and is very strong in the religion.

i have had many experiences during my lifetime with the other members of several congregations.

LisaRose

Welcome. Your bitterness is understandable, I think we have all been there at one point. What helps me is to remember that no matter what I had done in my life I would have some regrets. I also try to appreciate the things about being a Jehovah's Witness that made me a better person. Perseverance, working toward goals, self discipline, these are all things that I developed because of the religion that are still helpful to me.

It's not that I am glad I was a JW, I consider joining the worst decision of my life, it's just that I choose, every day, to let it go, to look to my future, not my past, to think about my life in a positive way. Holding on to bitterness is like drinking poison and waiting for someone else to die, and nobody has time for that.

I find meditation to be very helpful.

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Why attack?

by newqatarjob in

as someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!

) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.

i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.

LisaRose

Why do Jehovah's Witnesses attack other religions? Is it not because they believe them to be false? To have lied? Do they not claim to be do life saving work to warn people of the danger?

Well, we have found that the Watchtower is more dangerous than any other religion, that they lied about their history and practices, that they do harm to families by their disfellowshipping policies. We have seen the suicides, the child abuse cover ups, the rank hypocrisy. Yes we speak out and will continue to speak out, why shouldn't we?

Why don't you investigate this before you condemn us?

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All Gays Are Perverts

by Coded Logic in

"scientists may never resolve exactly how much of a role nature and nurturing play in same-sex attraction.

but one thing is clear: all humans are born with the tendency to succumb to wrong thinking and inclinations.

--romans 3:23. a youth who desires to please god must therefore conform to his moral standards and shun immoral behavior, though doing so may be agonizingly difficult.

LisaRose

There has been a shift in how society as a whole views gay people in the last twenty years, people are much more tolerant and accepting of homosexuality, especially younger people. I am sure this does affect young JWs especially young gay JWS.

The Watchtower can try to keep insisting that gays are perverted, immoral, deranged or bad, but most people know by that gay people aren't really all that different than everyone else, so the religion will be more and more out of touch with society in general and that will not help then retain membership.

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A couple questions for atheists on Suffering

by little_Socrates in

who told you that the world should be free from suffering?.

do you find any value in suffering?.

do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?

LisaRose

You are coming with a preconceived notion that suffering is evil. I don't accept that. I want you to prove it.

I don't believe suffering is evil. What I do believe is that if God existed and was omnipotent, he has knowingly allowed human beings, supposedly his creation, continue to rape, torture, enslave and kill each other for thousands of years. I don't know if that makes him evil, but it doesn't make him someone I would worship. Since I see no evidence that he exists, it doesn't much matter

If you had children, would you stand idly by while one of them tortured the other? Would you say that the suffering of that one was good because it made him stronger or served your purposes in some way? Would it be OK if you then took the injured child to the doctor? No, you would be considered a monster and rightly so. The ends in this case do not justify the means, nothing would alter the fact that you knowingly allowed that suffering to continue when you could have stopped it. Why would a heavenly father get a pass for the same thing?

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Filling the parenting role - I need help

by Garrett in

hey guys, .

so, as you may know, i'm 21 and an older brother to an 12 year old boy.

our father was a severe drug addict that tried to kill my family.

LisaRose

I think it's good you are stepping up to being a father figure for your brother, obviously he needs that. It's probably better to have your mom deal with him though, as she is the parent. He is probably still suffering from the turmoil of the last few years. Have your mom discuss with the teacher to make sure there aren't issues there.

Then She should tell him that if he is sick he should stay in bed with the lights dimmed, no tv, no computer, no reading. I think he will have a quick recovery under those circumstances.