Posts by LisaRose

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Ten Commandments

by EA916 in

should we still be keeping the 10 commandments?

LisaRose

Should we still be keeping the 10 commandments?

If you mean do I follow every law supposedly written on stone tablets by Moses, no, why would I? If you are a Christian, why wouldn't you follow what Jesus said at Matthew 7:12: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

If you mean do I believe it's wrong to kill my neighbor or steal, then yes, in that sense I follow some of the ten commandments, but those are universal laws, most religions and countries have rules about that kind of thing. Frankly, there is nothing special about the ten commandments and some of them aren't even practicle in this day and age. What if doctors or policemen kept the Sabbath and refused to work? Tough luck for you if you had a heart attack or your house gets robbed . Also, my neighbor doesn't have an ox or a donkey, so I don't worry about coveting it.

As for the ten commandments being eternal, well, eternity is a long time, check back in a few million years.

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Help? :(

by BlackWolf in

i apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.

anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.

its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.

LisaRose

I am so sorry you are in this situation right now, that must be very hard. Your parents are probably trying to raise you the best way they know how, but they are being deceived by a manipulative religion, so their decisions are not their own. Do your best to do all they ask, hopefully they will give you more priviledges as you show you are responsible.

It probably seems like forever, but in three years you will be an adult and will have more control of your life. Until then you need to do all that you can to prepare yourself for the life you want. If you have access to online resources, then focus on learning all that you can. If you dont, see if you can get books at the library. Art school is possible if you apply yourself. If you went to a regular school you could get help with this from a school counselor, but check to see if there is anything like that for home schooled teens. Do everything you can to prepare yourself to qualify for scholarships and grants.

We had a young lady here on the board who was home schooled also, and her mother didn't bother to teach her anything so she actually couldn't even read. She studied on her own and got her GED, and went on to college. If she could do it, so can you.

Good luck, I hope you get to follow your dreams.

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New WT video: Like taking money from a baby!

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

just when you thought may's jw dot org video featuring wide-eyed cult lunatic gb lett guilting the masses into giving every last dime they have couldn't be topped, your children will now be fed a guilt-inducing cartoon in which they are guilted into giving every last cent they have to the wt cult.

the wt entitles this one, "give us your money!

even your children are to be shaken down!

LisaRose

Wow, a child can't even enjoy an ice cream cone without being made to feel guilty. Just when you thought they couldn't go any lower.....

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What triggered your doubts / awakening?

by Tornintwo in

i am sort of new here, used a different username for a while but things got 'difficult' at home so i've since been lurking.... what i would be really interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, is what it was that triggered your doubts and initial research which led to awakening, was it a bad experience, injustice, changed doctrine?

for me, it was seeing mistreatment of young ones in the congregation, they're under so much pressure and as soon as they go even slightly astray they are shunned, either informally (as bad associations which pushes them further into the 'world') or formally - with elders dying to throw the book at them so they even lose their family.... ...then reading about child abuse issues in the press.... ...which led me to silentlambs.

...then jw facts, this forum and coc, wham!

LisaRose

It was the cumulative effects of a lot of things, being stuck in a bad marriage to a disfellowshipped person. Being treated like a second class citizen because of that. Health and family issues that made it more and more difficult to live the JW life, and being judged for that. Having a better than average job where I was respected and paid the same as a man doing the same work made it odd to be treated as a "lesser vessel" by the brothers.

Learning to think logically and starting to question things, like the generation change, because i had been around in 1975 and didn't get how "this generation" could be more than one generation. Seeing the question from the readers about the UN and thinking, huummm.

I finally reached a breaking point and it all just hit me one day that there was no evidence that the Watchtower had any special knowledge or was in any way being directed by God.

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They lie about everything, why don’t they lie about annual publisher growth?

by John Aquila in

jwfacts show that publisher growth was 15% pre- 1975 and has decline to about 2%.

what prevents them from fudging the annual growth and keeping it at something more positive like 10%?.

"a great crowd that no man is able to number".

LisaRose

It might seem like they could get away with that, but they really can't. It would work for a year or two, but it would quickly become very obvious due to compounding, the effect of percentage increases over many years.

For example, if a country had 500k publishers and they reported growth of ten percent a year, they would have 978k publishers in only seven years, almost double. People in that country would probably be aware that no congregation they know of doubled in the last seven years. They would also wonder why they didn't need more kingdom halls, more magazines, books, etc. It also wouldn't match data from people like the Pew research center. I think most people in the organization are basically honest, and something like this would raise concerns among too many people.

It's like companies that fudge the numbers to prop up stock prices. Creative accounting can only get you so far. This actually happened in a company I worked for. They lied, hoping the market would go back up, but it didn't, they got caught out and people went to jail. I think they would do this if they could, but it's just not something they can get away with.

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17 year old son is blaming me for ruining his life from the Cult. He's complaining "I could have been a high school sports star!"

by PhilsWager2 in

you know about my not-so-ugly divorce and how me and my wife found out the religion is false.

she still attends while my 17 year old has been raging on me about all the wasted time he suffered from by being in this religion.

he think's his life is ruined, very angry we did not learn this was a cult earlier(he was 14 when he stopped attending after reading the revelation book, he said "in all time and history, how could a trumpet blown in revelation have anything to do with a jw bible student convention statement"?.

LisaRose

Tell him you did the best you knew how to do at the time, when you knew better, you did better. How can he expect better than that?

It is a shame he didn't get a chance to go for his dream, but it doesn't mean that's the only dream he can ever have. As long as he is playing "what if", instead of being born to a JW family, what if: He was born blind or he was born in a poor, third world country or he was autistic or he had cancer.

I wasted most of my life on this stupid cult, I was forty five and had health problems by the time I got out, but I don't dwell on that, I just am thankful I didn't waste any more time than that, and I enjoy the life I have right now.

Attitude is everything.

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

LisaRose

Take off the crown:

Is Candace challenging Jehovah?

No, she is challenging the Watchtower, she knows only too well that God has nothing to do with them, or they wouldn't have designed policies that favored pedophiles at the expense of children.

Or did you think God did that?

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In depth research reveals....

by Deltawave in

something i have noticed over the years is how much harder it is to research the history of the watchtower society from its own literature.

people have thrown away old publications in place of the watchtower library.

i beleive soon the watchtower library disk will be discontinued in place of the online library.

LisaRose

Doug, I sent you my email, thanks.

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"So you are an atheist. So would you kill me if it were to your advantage?"

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i worked a different shift.

i knew the people i worked with, but not as well as i could have.. anyway, religion comes up.

one guy mentions in front of another that i wrote a book about my religious experience.

LisaRose

Unbelievable. So he can't imagine why anyone would refrain from murder unless they feared God and eternal torment in hell. it sounds like he is the one with problems.

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In depth research reveals....

by Deltawave in

something i have noticed over the years is how much harder it is to research the history of the watchtower society from its own literature.

people have thrown away old publications in place of the watchtower library.

i beleive soon the watchtower library disk will be discontinued in place of the online library.

LisaRose

I was looking for a digital version of the old bue "truth" book, the 1968 version, and couldn't find it without joining an obscure digital book service. I was just curious about how much was left of what I had been taught when I converted. I imagine it's not much other than the basics (trinity, hell fire, etc). The organization I joined doesn't exist anymore.

But that's how the cult business goes. The religion I joined in 1969 was not the religion that existed in 1914. Doomsday cults either go out of business or sanitize their history and pretend it didn't happen. Most people don't want to question things, so they accept it. The good news is that the internet is making it harder to hide the past.