One factor in the ability of the U.S to make a moon landing was the contributions of many german rocket scientist who worked for Natzi germany prior to and during world war two. The U.S. made an considerable effort to recruit these scientists to prevent Russia from getting the technology, they called it Operation Paperclip. The knowledge and expertise these men gained (most notably Werhner Bon Braun) during the war was invaluable in advancing the U.S. space program.
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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.
by The Rebel inso i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
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Please how can I create account in jw.org
by COLLINS ini want someone in the forum to teach me how i can create account in jw.org and also the confidential area in jw.org please.
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LisaRose
This is a discussion board for those who have doubts about the org or have already left. You are on your own with the JW website, it has nothing to do with us. No hard feelings, but I wouldn't help anyone get literature about the Watchtower, as it is an abusive cult.
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I Made the Literature Trolley Run Away Today - Twice
by cofty ini popped into town this morning to buy an anniversary card for mrs cofty.
it is market day on a saturday and it's tourist season so the town was very busy.
here is a picture of the scene from a year ago... two cult carts were in their favourite place being guarded by none other than one of the elders who was on my judicial committee, his wife and another jw woman in her electric disability buggy.
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LisaRose
Wow, they ran off like frightened children from the bad, scary apostate who hurt their feewings.
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I now hate being called 'sister'
by purrpurr insince waking up i find i am bridling at being called 'sister'.
but it feels like an identity that is being forced on me.. i feel like shouting "i have a name you know!".
it is just me or does anyone else recognise this?.
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LisaRose
I do think using those terms is a part of the mind control. It is cult 101 to set yourself apart from other groups using different names for things is one way to do that. Everyone talks about "love bombing" and having people refer to each other as sister and brother is a way of making people feel like they are part of an instant family. It is also a way of distancing you from you real family ( ugh, "feshly" sisters and brothers, I always hated that term too). Of course it's an illusion, because if you step out of line, or disagree with your new "family" you will find out how loving they really are, which is to say not at all.
I also believe using the term "sister" is a way to emphasize the lowly status of women in the organization and it is used in a way that reinforces the stereotype of women as being less intelligent, less capable and less important.
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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.
by The Rebel inso i was fooled by the witnesses.
what can i learn from that?
not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.
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LisaRose
My father believed the moon landing was a hoax, but I sort of understood that because when he was born (1917) automobiles, telephones and radio had only recently been invented. I thought that a moon landing probably just seemed too far out of the realm of possibility for him to wrap his head around. It's one of those things that some people just intuitively feel is not possible, like that crazy notion that we evolved from lower life forms, lol.
It just makes no sense to me that thousands of NASA workers all conspired to fake the landing and that not one of them blabbed about it in almost fifty years. That would mean that every person who ever worked for NASA was both extremely dishonest and yet fiercly loyal to them. Not. One. Person. I find the odds of that to be so unlikely as to be unbelievable.
Do people who believe that also think all space flights are faked? There have been so many, with so much evidence. Was the Challenger disaster faked? We're all those eye witnesses in on the conspiracy? If everything was faked, why fake something that made them look bad and required them to kill several innocent people?
The lunar reconnaissance orbiter has taken many high resolution photos of the moon, showing the flags that have been left there. Was that faked too?
But it all doesn't matter, because no matter how illogical it is or how much evidence there is to prove the moon landing, some people are determined believe it's a hoax and nothing I or anyone else says will make any difference to them.
Some people still believe the earth is flat too.
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So, I became very ill ... what did my loving brothers do?
by EdenOne inrecently i have fallen ill with a serious case of chickenpox (shingles).
three weeks down, high fevers, and the blisters attacked mostly my scalp and face, but then also my whole upper body.
i looked horrid, truly like a mutant monster out of a nuclear disaster.
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LisaRose
I'm sorry you had shingles, I know it can be very painful.
Jesus said "by this all will know you are my disciples, that you have love amongst yourselves". The mark of a true follower of Christ is love. Not the preaching work, but love. Yet JWs will spend hours each week in the futile preaching work and zero time encouraging or helping their fellow believers. If you are sick and miss meetings you are considered weak and damaged goods, people will talk to you less, as if you have committed a sin. People are so busy with the burdensome requirements of witness life they don't have time to help out anybody, nor are they encouraged to do so. It's not like they can report time for it like field service.
I occasionally attend the church that my in laws go to. They have people assigned to help the sick, the pastor helps those going through problems, and they feed the hungry on a regular basis. In church, people are encouraged to talk openly, during services about those in their family or who they know who are having problems, even if the people mentioned don't belong to that church.
So who is a follower of Christ and who isn't?
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I wonder with all this sex abuse drama if Wt would ever apologize to Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson.
by joe134cd inwt obviously must realize now the value of those that tried to enforce change on them.
i think if it wasn't for these people doing what they did wt would be in even more drama now.
so my question is do you ever think wt would voluntarily reinstate and publicly apologize to bill bowen and barbara anderson for all their hard work in bringing reform.
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LisaRose
They will apologize when this happens.
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The Australian Royal Commission will NOT do a damn thing to the WT!
by Calebs Airplane inthe rothschild family will not allow the aussies to take any significant action against their religious wing (mormons, jws, adventists, etc.).
the worst outcome for the borg will be a relatively small fine and a deadline to change their rules.
that is all..
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LisaRose
Well it's not like the Royal Commission can bring down the Watchtower even if they wanted to, but I think they may be able to force them to do things differently, at least in Australia.
And it does shine a light on the religion, something that is not good for them, as they have operated in secrecy for so long. No one thing will bring down the Watchtower, but the more negative things that are in the media the more people will question things.
As far as conspiracy theories, I think people believe them because of confirmation bias and because it makes them feel smart because they have special knowledge and because it makes the world seem simpler and more understandable, even if it's in a negative way. Unfortunately the world is not that simple, and there is no one shadow group pulling the strings, it's complex and chaotic and no one group is controlling everything and there are no simplistic answers.
Think about it, if the "Rothchilds" were controlling everything and were protecting the Watchtower, why didn't they prevent the Royal Commission from happening in the first place? It wouldn't have been that hard, no one knew anything about JWs and Child sex abuse a month ago, Now that all this is out in the open it will he much harder to prevent any negative repercussion to the WTBTS.
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Quality Thinking - Warning: Long Post Ahead
by Viviane inrecently, several threads have had some debate about logic, evidence, critical thinking and skepticism.
i wanted to write a post discussing those things, hopefully to clarify what those things are, why they are important and how to use those tools.
first, logic, at its core, is simply a method for how to reason validly, how to draw conclusions based on a premise.
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LisaRose
It's funny you mention computing because I believe that learning to program is what helped me learn to think in a more logical way and eventually helped me realise the Watchtower was wrong. I did not go to college, but worked my way up from admin to auditing to systems analyst. I liked the challenge and pushed myself to learn new things.
I started out with excel, which is a very simple version of coding, then simplified version of Cobol. I was mostly self taught, so it was a lot of trial and error. If your code didn't run or didn't give you the results you want, then it was wrong, so you had to figure out why. I think the experience changed the way my brain worked in a way, it's Boolean logic, very black and white. I also had to do a lot of reporting and learn to communicate to people in every part of the company, explaining very complex technical issues to non technical people, all very good experience in learning to think.
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List of Prominent JW Urban Legends...
by Tuesday inhey folks,.
i'm wondering if you all could help me with my next video that i want to put up in the next couple of days (though i'm hoping for tonight), i want to come up with a list of the most prominent urban legends surrounding jws and then refute them whatever they may be.. i'm thinking there's the urban legend about the question on jeopardy that said the nwt was the most accurate would be a good one.
that one stems from an online powerpoint presentation named theological jeopardy and a book which was written comparing six different translations of the bible.
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LisaRose
For some reason my comment above was cut off on one side after posting and I can't fix it.
I found the information below in a quick internet search. I am not interested enough to confirm it, but if you want to spend the time you could go to the databse listed at the end to confirm it yourself. But why my bother? People believe what the want despite all the evidence in the world. You might ask your friend to prove it, if it actually happened it should be easy to confirm.
The new world translation is just the American standard bible with some things added by the Watchtower that are questionable at best. For example they put Jehovah in the translation of the Greek scriptures even though it was never in the original Greek. They also took severe liberties with John 1:1 to support their anti Trinitarian stance, so how could it be considered the most accurate by anyone other than Jehovah's Witnesses? As others have pointed out, which of the many translations is best is subjective, and Jeopardy doesn't deal in opinions, just facts.
Finally, for Jeopardy to use that in a game they would have had to have gotten the information somewhere. What would have been the source? It's doubtful they would have used the gone to the WBTS as a source for information, why go to them and not a mainstream religion or better yet, a neutral souce, like Wikipedia? If the Jeopardy people had done that they would have had to have a source to prove it was correct in case it was challenged by another contestant. If someone, other than Jehovah's Witnesses, decided that the NWT was the "most accurate" it should be easy to find, so where is it?
It's just JW urban legend, like John Denver (and a dozen other musicians) making all JWs leave.
The Watchtower is just a legend in their own mind.
