Posts by LisaRose

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

LisaRose

Research on motivated reasoningsuggests that people tend to believe what they want to believe. Muslims in particular have reason not to want to believe that mass murder on 9/11 was carried out by co-religionists in the name of their faith. This may lead some to embrace a defensive narrative where they are victims of a larger conspiracy by the U.S. or Israel to launch a self-serving war on Islam

People believe what they want to believe

Interesting links DJS. I think this comment says it all, people believe what they want to believe.

You could provide a mountain of proof from climate scientists that global climate change is real, caused by man and a problem, but people will believe Rush Limbaugh, because Rush makes them feel smart that they haven't been taken by the crazy scientists and they would rather not have to give up their 15mpg Ford F-350 That they don't even use to haul anything.

It explains why a narcissistic airbag like Trump leads in the polls right now. He tells people like this what they want to hear. He was hopelessly lost in the debate as he had no knowledge of foreign policy, but it doesn't matter to his fans.

The same thing with the moon landings, 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc. People believe what they want to believe.

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The bridge burning has begun.

by sparrowdown in

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i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

so i texted her back immediately with fu..

LisaRose

I am somewhat estranged from my JW sister also. The irony is that we were estranged for many years when she disassociated and I was the holier-than-thou JW. We had a few great years when we had a normal sister relationship, then she went back to be able to see her grandkids, then started drinking the kool aid. She also has some medical/mental issues that are complicating everything, I never know if I will be talking to her genuine self or her JW-wackadoodle persona. I usually take the cowards way out and just don't call.

I have really enjoyed your contributions here on JWN. You comments are always concise, to the point and very, very funny. Please feel free to PM me also.

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Science also accurately foretells (and Bible prophecy neutralized)

by iconoclastic in

in 1987 herbert benson, m.d., professor of medicine at harvard medical school foretold: a day will come, through meditation you can set the stage for important mind-and habit-altering brain change.

(your maximum mind, random house, new york) he gave the reasons: over the years you develop circuits and channels of thought in your brain.

these are physical pathways which control the way you think, the way you act, and often the way you feel.

LisaRose

Interesting articles, I don't see what prophecies have to do with any of it, but meditation is indeed very powerful. I meditate regularly, it has been very helpful to me, and the more you do it the more effective it is. I have ADHD, meditation helps me more focused and effective in my work and I have been able to lower my blood pressure from a borderline high of 140 to 118.

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The bridge burning has begun.

by sparrowdown in

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i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

so i texted her back immediately with fu..

LisaRose

Good for you. It's the JWs that are insane for expecting you to act as if you believe something when you do not, that would make you a hypocrite.

🍹enjoy you new life as a free woman, pretending no more.

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For those of you that are disfellowshipped, How Far Would Your Faithfull JW Family Go To Stay Loyal to The WT?

by John Aquila in

ive seen jw parents shun their disfellowshipped children for 20-30 years.

ive seen parents remove disfellowshipped or fader children from wills and give the inheritance to the watchtower..

if your country got run over by some form of government like the nazi regime and started a process of eliminating any groups or individuals who it considered a threat.

LisaRose

n DF JW relatives especially start sending easter bunnies and christmas cards, and calls on birthdays, and talk to children and grandchildren or JW relatives against JW, it gets to the point where JW does not want to deal with DF JW at all, but for those reasons and not because they are DF.

Do you actually know of anyone who has done that are you just speculating? I know of no ex JW who would do that, since most want to keep some semblance of a relationship with their Jw family and are sensitive to their beliefs, even if they no longer share them.

I saw my mom a few months before she passed away. She allowed me to see her, but I couldn't stay at her house. When I got home she sent me a letter saying she couldn't talk to me anymore as she wanted to die "with a clean conscience before Jehovah". I was not told when she went to the hospital. She died a few days later.

What kind of screwed up religion would make a mother feel she couldn't talk to her own daughter, even when she was dying in a hospital? There is no way my mom would have shunned me without the influence of the Watchtower. I would have loved to be with her at the end, to hold her hand and tell her I loved her. I will never have that and all because I simply chose not to be a Jehovah's Witness.

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Independent living for Senior facilities are thru the roof here. What about your area??

by James Mixon in

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we checked on a new senior facility, just to get in your must shell out $200.000.00 and.

don't get that back.

two hundred thousand up front and payments from $2500.00-$5000.00.

LisaRose

It is expensive My husband's parents are both in their eighties, they just sold their house and moved to a retirement home. They simply couldn't manage by themselves anymore, neither can drive and my MIL fell and badly broke her leg, no stairs for her and she doesn't want to cook anymore. Fortunately they owned their home free and clear, so they made enough from the sale of the house to cover the expenses for the foreseeable future.

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Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

by Dissonant15 in

please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

"if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

LisaRose

They are comparing apples amd oranges. Your liver removes alcohol from your digestive tract sending it to your bloodstream, so the effect of alcohol is the same whether you transfuse it or drink it, but blood that is transfused is never utilized by the body for food. You could get a blood transfusion every day and still starve to death if you did not eat. So you are not eating blood when you get a transfusion.

But a better argument against the ban on blood transfusion is that it is clear from the bible that it was the symbolic bleeding of an animal that was the reason blood was not eaten, it was to show respect for life. Otherwise, if eating blood was in of itself wrong, they really would not be able to eat meat at all, because it is impossible to drain all blood from an animal, there are always trace amounts left over along with other fluids, as you can see when you cook a steak.

Another angle to consider is that Jesus performed healing on the Sabbath, something forbidden by mosaic law. He obviously believed that saving a life was more important than blindly following a law. So why would we throw away a human life for something that was a sin under mosaic law? How is that showing respect for life? Yes, the apostles admonished others to abstain from blood, but was that because blood is of itself bad, or because that was the custom of the that time, since most early Christians were originally Jewish?

The Watchtower knows very well there is no reason to ban transfusions. They started this when blood transfusions were new and more risky, it was based more on ignorance and fear of modern medicine than any real biblical reason. Now they can't admit they are wrong, since they have bragged so much about all those who threw their life away by refusing a transfusion, everyone would realise they died for no reason. That is why they started allowing fractions, it gives them an out. But if blood is inherently bad, why is using even part of it OK? You are still taking whole blood from someone, taking out some of it and using the rest. What makes that any different than whole blood from a religious standpoint? Did the mosaic law say you can bleed an animal, separate the components, throw some away and eat the rest?

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VW emissions cheating and driverless cars

by Simon in

when i first heard about this it sounded like they just had a mode that was optimizing the vehicle's emission levels which sounded good.. turns out, they were detecting when a car was being tested to cheat the control system.. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34311819.

their shares are down 19% - but larger than the financial fallout is the trust.

this is the worlds largest car manufacturer!.

LisaRose

On a related note, just because your 4-wheel drive helps you to start moving when it's icy, doesn't mean it will help you stop any faster. So leave a gap. Seriously, a much bigger gap, especially if you're behind me. I'll purposefully slow down and drive through all the slush to give your windscreen a drenching.

I lived in Colorado for ten years, this seemed to be a common delusion, but four wheel drive does not actually mean four wheel stop. After every snowstorm you would see lots and lots of SUVs greasy side up on the side of the highway, they never learned.

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Uh, wow. I think I might become vegan.

by marmot in

i am a dyed in the wool carnivore.

i suffer from cheese addiction.

lobsters are mercilessly boiled alive.. but after watching this new documentary called cowspiracy on netflix, all that may change.

LisaRose

I share your concerns about meat and the environment, but I am not quite ready to become a vegetarian. Just about anything you do has some impact to the environment, so the question is what is your overall impact, and what realistic changes can you make to reduce that impact. Documentaries like tend to be a bit slanted, you really have to take some of it with a grain of salt, if you forgive my food analogy.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a vegetarian or vegan. but I haven't quite convinced my husband of that. So, I've cut back, introduced less meat heavy options, not eating meat on some days, and stretching what I do buy to the very maximum. I can make a $5.00 Costco chicken stretch to four meals plus a few lunches. I do buy wild salmon, farm raised is not only bad for the environment, it's bad for your health.

My husband appreciates a steak now and then, I figure he balances that by taking mass transit to work and driving a diesel Jetta that gets 47mpg for the weekends.

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New here!

by Mandy97 in

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hi guys !

hm.. i'm new in this website !

my name is mandy and i just want to meet new people!

LisaRose

Welcome.