Posts by LisaRose

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Cracked under pressure

by breezy in

a big problem i have always had when talking about anything related to jw teachings, is that i get aggravated and frustrated when logical black and white concepts/scriptures are not seen/interpreted in a logical way.

it really frustrates me having to hear '' oh no this does not apply here '' in every scripture that i bring to my parents attention.

starting from when i was 16 to about 20, my frustrations would lead to these anger fits.

LisaRose

It's understandable that you are frustrated, but It might help if you can think of it in a different way. Your parents might not have read your research because they are brushing you off, they may just be scared that you are right and they are not ready to accept that right now.A cult member will do a lot of things to avoid uncomfortable truths.

Apologize to you parents, and accept and love them as they are. The fact is they may never wake up, and if they do, it will be in their own time, at their own pace, just as you left when you were ready. Peace comes with acceptance of things as they are, not how we want them to be.

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JW sisters reaction to the cutbacks

by umbertoecho in

i had gone away for a rest and came back to pick my animals up.

(yes we share one common thing.

the love of animals).

LisaRose

I think people always had pride in the organization, how efficient it was, how organized. They may not have understood why things were done a certain way, but they trusted that the GB knew what they were doing and were under Jehovah's direction, and that the work that was so important would always get done. It must be quite a shock to be confronted with obvious signs that they might not actually know what they are doing. One or two things could be ignored, but there are so many signs of trouble it's getting harder and harder to pretend that everything is fine.

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ATT: WARNING

by EJ257 in

please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.

this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.

at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.

LisaRose

The world was supposed to end in 1897, 1914, 1925, 1975, then before the generation alive in 1914 passed away, now three overlapping generations. The Watchtower has a zero success rate in predicting Armageddon, so the chances of them being right now is zero, if they were even predicting the end, which I doubt.

Another day, another crackpot preaching the coming apocalypse.

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I have been informed that if u are df and you appeal the decision and you loose appeal

by poopie in

jw
friends

the elders will keep you out longer as payback for you appealing their decision how dare you peon appeal the secret weapons design you stupid publisher.

LisaRose

If you appeal it might look to them as if you are not repentant, so I think it's possible they would hold up your being reinstated, but it probably depends on the elders involved.

It's a game that is hard to win, the deck is stacked against you from the get go. It's like being suspected of a crime, they have proven that once a cop becomes convinced you are guilty they will discount anything that would prove your innocence and focus only on the evidence of guilt. It's basic human nature to justify a decision.

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Mormons vs. Jehovah's Witnesses

by Downtowner in

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friends

forgive me if this has been covered before but i haven't seen anything about it recently.. in exploring the two faiths, mormons vs. jehovah's witnesses, which were both founded in the 1800s with the mormons being slightly a slightly older religion it seems mormons is a more attractive religion than jehovah's witnesses.

do not get me wrong, i'm not looking at joining the mormon church.

but i still enjoy studying other faiths and different belief systems.

LisaRose

The culture is very similar, a cult is a cult. They offer a few benefits that the JWs don't, they don't discourage higher education for one thing, but then they don't allow alcohol or coffee and they make you wear ugly underwear with symbols on them. When I was a JW I used to think they were so weird, and I couldn't understand how anyone could believe such nonsense, now I realize they are just different flavors of crazy, I am sure the Mormons think the same of the JWs.

My daughter in law is a former Mormon, she was on a mission when she realized she didn't believe in what she was teaching people. I have to say her parents are far more tolerant that the typical JW parent would be about it. Our granddaughter is getting baptized in the UCC church and her parents are flying across the country to attend, I can't imagine any JW parent doing that.

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happy holidays:)

by SloppyMcFloppy in

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friends

just wanted to say happy thanksgiving to all!!!!

i love celebrating holidays now... even though all my family wont be there:( hoping one day they will see the "light.

" maybe the " light will get brighter" and the jw will have a new understanding that everthing has pagan origins and its all about family on holidays.

LisaRose

Happy Thanksgiving to you!

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Passionless loveless JW.ORG. How? Why? My experience with these Pharasees.

by Witness 007 in

so i studied with this guy who is now an elder in my moms hall.

she has cancer and is black and blue from it.

we are like real family so i invite him over for drinks and pizza.

LisaRose

Other religions keep track of the elderly or sick. People volunteer to make food, visit, take people on appointments, it's considered a part of being a congregation, it's one of the benefits of a religious community. They also help the homeless and poor, even if not part of the congregation. I remember when they used to do this a little, but even that fell by the wayside in favor of field service. Nothing is important as their ministry, even though it's now rare to make converts and most of the time spent is wasted anyway. I used to talk to one or two people a morning tops. There is no love or caring in the congregations, the elders spend their time pushing people to do more and Disfellowshiping.

As the bible says, by their fruits you will know them.

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For the Supporters of Those Who Love Jehovah

by lovesjehovah in

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friends

i am jehovah's witness, despite some of the questionable teachings, crimes, and other outlandish behaviors of specific people affiliated with the religion.

i know that my relationship with jehovah is not influenced by any outside factors.

i do not condone any crime.

LisaRose

I don't believe in God anymore, but I don't see why everyone has to be so harsh. For a while after leaving I left open the possibility of God, I still occasionally prayed, I wasn't yet ready to embrace atheism, I had already lost faith in the Watchtower, thinking that there might still be a God l gave a certain amount of comfort. Losing your faith is a hard thing, it doesn't happen overnight, at least it didn't for me.The people criticising you went through their spiritual journey and embraced atheism in their own time, now they are putting you down following your own spiritual path.

Loves Jehovah, if it makes you happy to still believe in God, then do. I am all for what works . You may change your mind later, or you may not, but either way don't let what others say take away your joy. I would suggest you consider other religions, I think you would be happier in a religion that accepted you for who you are. I like the United Church of Christ, sometimes called Congregational (not the regular Church of Christ, they are no better than the JWs). They have no doctrine, and welcome all, plus they tend to have great music. Once you went to one of their services you would never sit through a dry, boring meeting again.

Take care

Lisa🌹

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The Ages Of The Biblical Patriarchs

by JW_Rogue in

so i've been reading the imitate their faith book (because my wife wants to) and keep coming upon these ridiculous ages for the bible patriarchs.

now i know wt takes everything literally but there has got to be some explanation that makes more sense.

why would the bible writers create these obviously false ages?

LisaRose

Have you ever played the game "Telephone"? One person says something to another, it gets repeated from one person to the next until by the end it wasn't anything like what was originally said. These were stories that were told and retold over centuries, it wasn't until much later that they started writing it down, by that point things were exaggerated. There might have been a man called Methuselah, and he may have lived a long life, but it wasn't 900 years, it's just that the stories got exaggerated.

By the time people started writing things down, people were somehow living normal life spans, what does that tell you? Otherwise, why did people go from living 900 years to 90 in a few centuries? The Watchtower teaches that it was because they were closer to perfection, but that never made sense to me, imperfect is imperfect, there is no "sort of" perfect. But then the genesis account is full of things that make no sense and couldn't have happened the way the bible says. They are fables, tall tales, no different than the stories of Zeus.

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In The Name of Love, Need Your Opinion

by thankyou in

i'm non-jw.. been following this forum.

most of you folks have been through hell, but are still loving souls.

i'm reeeally impressed and glad to be here.. my question is at the end of this.

LisaRose

Go find a nice girl who isn't a Jehovah's Witness, there are lots of them. This girl doesn't even sound like she is all that interested in you, and even if she was it would not be a good thing, she would always feel guilty about it and/or try to convert you. It's a cult, they control people by fear, obligation and guilt, trust me, you don't need that in your life. We get people in your situation here a lot, it never really ends well, so save yourself the pain and move on.

Love does not conquer all.