Posts by LisaRose

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Prescription Drugs and the Fruitage of the Spirit?

by Luther bertrand in

does anyone have a meaningful response to the following question/points: the fruitage of the spirit found at gal.

5:22: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, mildness, kindness.

goodness, faith and self-control, in many way for many people can be increased through the use of anti-anxiety, anti-depressants, and a host of other pharma's.

LisaRose

I don't think I buy the premise that you can express the fruitage of the spirit by taking drugs, it's far more complicated than that. If someone has a deficiency in brain chemistry, then possibly certain drugs can help them be more normal and then express love, joy, peace, etc., but they have to be capable of feeling such emotions in the first place. If they have normal brain chemistry then the drugs will not do anything for them, and if they are a rotten person with bad brain chemistry, then all the drugs in the world will not make them loving.

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Hello, fairly new, studying for around 7 months, just thought I would introduce myself.

by Conanthebeliever in

hello everyone, i hope you are all ok. .

my name is conan, i am 25, and from the uk.

i have some brain damage, so i apologise in advance if my syntax is off or i go a long way around explaining things.

LisaRose

That took a lot of courage, so good for you. To those who are not familiar with cults it's quite shocking to see somebody be so brainwashed as to insist that back is white and white is black, but that is how it works, so sad.

Maybe someday some of what you have said to him will come back to his mind and he will be able to get free, but for now he is happy in his delusions and there isn't anything you can do. Sometimes it takes a crisis, being mistreated by the elders or something like that for someone to wake up, you never know.

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Advice help

by Undercoverbrother in

but i have been undercover for about 3 years.

recently i stopped going and faded(close to a year without stepping into the hall) .

an old flame of mine (who is active witness) came back into the picture.

LisaRose

Deny, deny, deny. They have to have two witnesses, or they can't do anything to you even if she says you did something.

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Caitlyn Jenner has cognitive Dissonance

by sherrie11 in

i have just finished watching the latest episode of i am cait!

lol yes i watch it!!!

they were discussing politics.

LisaRose

While I get that you can be fiscally conservative and transgender at the sme time, it does seem odd to me that Caitlan still fully embraces a party that for the most part is not very supportive of the LGBT community or its issues.

But then I can fully support a person's right to be be transgender while not liking them very much or agreeing with everything they say. I don't think it's hate, it's just having an opinion.

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I dont know how i can leave my family!

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

my mom and i were talking today about how next summer i will be 18 and she said that just thinking about it might make her cry.

that made me think about how much more it would hurt her if i quit being a jw.

i really do love my parents, i know they are just being cruelly manipulated by a cult and that they really think they are doing what is best for me.

LisaRose

Your parents made their own choices in life, which may or may not have been the choices their parents wanted them to make. You too have the right and obligation to make your own choices, even if that brings them some pain. You can and should make it very clear that you love them and appreciate the fact that they raised you, but that you cannot do something that you don't believe in, it wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be a life of integrity. Hopefully they will understand, but even if they don't you must live your life. It will hurt them some, but they will get over it, just as every parent has since the down of time.

I have raised two children and while they didn't always make the choices I would have, I understood that they had to find their own way in life, just as everyone does, and I love them and respect their right to make those choices. Your life is yours to live and I can assure you that if you stay out of obligation you will come to regret it when you are older. It's a great big world out there, with all kind of opportunities, so never limit your self because of what others may want, you are the one who will live with the consequences.

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Lady drives car into Kingdom Hall

by Sugar Shane in

right smack into (what looks like) the front entry!.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-13/78yo-female-driver-crash-jehovahs-witnesses-church/7243268.

this was in australia, but the khs i've seen (in the us) are designed so that you'd have to almost intentionally want to ram a building to cause this kind of damage.

LisaRose

I read recently that for some reason older women drivers more often mistake the gas pedal for the brake than older men drivers do. They should test older drivers more, some of them should not be on the road. I was worried about my father in law's driving, as I was in the car when he blew through stop signs and drive 45 in the fast lane of the freeway, but it turned out it was my mother in law who ended up having problems, she made a left turn in front of a motorcycle two years ago, unfortunately it was fatal for the motorcyclist. He was also exceeding the speed limit by quite a bit, but she ended up being 51% at fault. They just assumed it was a mistake on her part, but she has had a few minor strokes since then, so my guess is that it was either an earlier stroke that caused the accident or she was already having them and it had affected her thinking. Neither of them drive anymore, which is a good thing, they are both in their eighties.

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Hello everybody!

by roberto avon in

jw
friends

hello everybody,i've been lurking for a while and since i really adore reading the biggest part of the posts, especially this italian ( american) guy about his experiences at bethel in the 70's, i feel a little bit guilty for not participating with my contribute.

i am really so sorry for the people that are suffering because of the wts.my story is a " happy ending " story, i married a jw almost 30 years ago and i am here to tell that we are still very happy.

she is very liberal and our 3 kids are " normal ".

LisaRose

Welcome, I am glad you and your family are doing well.

Lisa🌹

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Evolution is a Fact #28 - Something Darwin Didn't Say

by cofty in

one of my friends posted an inspirational picture on facebook this morning.

even before i checked i knew that it was a fictional quote.

it was written by somebody who has not grasped a basic fact about evolution.. darwin did not say this.... it is a common misunderstanding that evolution favours individuals who are able to adapt to their environment.

LisaRose

At one time there were vast numbers of dinosaurs of many different species in North America, covering most of the center of what is now the U.S. Scientists are finding fossils of new species every day. This came about because at that time it was a subtropical rainforest, food was abundant and, since they were dinosaurs they didn't have to worry about larger predators. It was a good life for the dino. What drove the evolution into such an incredible variety of species was sexual selection. Since they didn't worry about food or fighting, what made reproduction more likely was simple sexual selection. Those genetic mutations that made a dino more attractive to or noticed by the opposite sex were then more likely to get them a mate and pass down that mutation. Things like ruffled neck frills came about, wildly different coloration, etc. Those genetic mutations that did not make them attractive did not get passed down.

Since food was abundant they didn't have to move around much. That meant that changes tended to stay within a small group, because they didn't travel very far to mate. It didn't take long before groups changed enough from each other than they didn't recognize each other as the same species and stopped mating.

All that variety and complexity driven by a single cause in this case, sexual selection. Is that such a hard concept to understand? It seems quite simple to me.

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Can I pick up a New World Translation from the JW London head office?

by Camperdown9 in

i'm an anglican and not a jehovahs witness.

what i dislike about lots of church congregations is their readiness to make unpleasant and unhelpful comments about other christian groups.

recently someone in a church tried to tell me a little about the views of jehovahs witnesses.

LisaRose

The Jehovah's Witnesses believe we are living in the last days, that soon God will destroy most of mankind except Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe seven men in Brooklyn represent and speak for God and the only way to survive the coming apocalypse is to do everything they say. Their chronology is based on some complicated interpretation of the old testament that, based on the date of the fall of Jerusalem in 607 that supposedly means the last days started in 1914. They used to think Armageddon was going to be 1914, but when that didn't happen they said it was the start of the last days. They then predicted other dates, most notably 1975, but when that didn't happen they just started saying it was right around the corner. I am 61, but was told not to go to college as I didn't have time for a career in this system. The date for the fall of Jerusalem they use is not supported by any reputable bible scholar. Their New World Translation is just a copy of another translation that has been a altered to fit JW theology. They add the name of God to the New Testament with no justification whatsoever, it's not in the original text.

They are a cult, they use cult mind control and use fear, obligation and guilt to control people. People are not allowed to talk to former member and there is no easy way to leave. If you leave and decide to vote, or celebrate Christmas or any of a number of other trivial, but forbidden things you will be disfellowshipped and your family and friends will not be a allowed to talk to you.

Yes, there is uniformity, but it's not a good thing. You are expected to attend two meetings a week, two hours each. Programs are predictable to the point of boring, there are rote question and answer sessions where there is only one correct answer. You are also expected to preach each week. You must report your time, if you do not preach each month you will be counseled by an elder. You are not supposed to watch certain movies, listen to certain music, go to college or have friends outside the organization. You are discouraged from personal pursuits, wanting to advance in your career, have hobbies or any kind of life that interferes with meeting attendance and preaching

They have a record of hiding and protecting child molesters, they are currently being investigated by the Austrialian Royal Commission. They require two witnesses to do anything in the case of an accusation, since child abusers seldom have extra witnesses it means that most get away with no punishment, the law is not called unless it is required, sometimes not even then. Victims are told to leave it in Jehovah's hands and they are discouraged from saying anything, even threatened. Having a history of child abuse does not disqualify you from being an elder.

They lie about and hide their past, and are constantly changing and flip flopping on doctrine. The Governing body must be obeyed without question, even though some of them seem quite nutty, obsessing over "homosexual tight pants" and spanx, which is an undergarment but which they apparently think are yoga pants. One of them has a very odd demeanor, over enunciating words and having exaggerated facial expressions.

If all that sounds good to you, then go for it, I am sure they will be happy to have you, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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Second Class Citizenship

by Coded Logic in

can you imagine if a person was refused services because they were black?

or because they were christian?

there would be nationwide outrage.

LisaRose

The kind of thinking that uses religion to justify hatred is hard to fight. People have a right to their religion, but they don't have a right to use it as an excuse for treating others badly. I do not get the pediatrician, no matter what she thinks of the parents, the baby is completely innocent. How far would she go in punishing a child for perceived sins of the parents? If she were the only pediatrician in town would she let the child die rather than compromise her beliefs? What is Christian about that? What about her other patients, if she learns a father committed adultery would she refuse to treat the child? Or is it only homosexuality that is too sinful for her delicate sensibilities?