Posts by keo15929

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A Bad experience with JW is a permit for SIN?

by El Mariachi in

i've been reading some sad experinces here... i dont see anyone talking about the bible... only how misserables the organization made their lives... ok ...so because of that...now i have permission to smoke marijuana and commit fornication?

this sounds pretty much like aa... and everybody having his/her personal "superior power" who is giving them the permit to do whatever they want...

i've been df for 4 years now and also dont agree with some jw teachings... why instead of blaming the wt for everything dont we look for the real truth in the bible and make things right.

keo15929

Someone asked about how someone can determine what is sin and what is not. Without using the Bible or any other book to determine that for myself I try to just think logically about that. You can make the bold statement that what's right or wrong is just a matter of personal opinion but that type of thinking can become dangerous. What if someone feels it's okay to kill someone if they get mad at them? Some people actually do think this way. Whether or not something is wrong should be determined by whether or not that something puts yourself or someone else at risk of being harmed. Smoking dope does put a person in needless risk of being harmed. It fries brain cells. I would say that it's wrong but then I wouldn't judge another person as being bad just because they do that. As if smoking pot negates all of the good qualities that the particular person might have.

Another thing is the matter of "fornication". That's a tough one there because I have to admit that it is better to wait until marriage for sex but that's almost impossible for most people. I do see the harm that it can cause by exsposing yourself and someone else to the risk of getting a disease or exposing any future children to the risk of having to grow up with his mother and father not being together. Personally, I avoid one night stands or just using someone for sex. But, if I'm in a relationship with someone I can't wait till I'm married to that person to get some. I guess that's just an imperfection that I have. Does that mean I'm evil? I don't think so. Reasonably, there are levels of seriousness of things that are right and wrong. At least in this situation there are two consenting adults.

Everyone.......EVERYONE does things that are wrong or just not beneficial at times but, like I said before, that doesn't mean that they have no good qualities and are just worthless scum deserving of death. If that were the case then the one judging someone else would have to judge himself with the same judgement. He's not perfect is he?

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Something funny I had to share

by keo15929 in

had a conversation with my little niece today.

she's a little smart mouth.

but she's funny.. i said to her "britney, your 5 right?.

keo15929

Had a conversation with my little niece today. She's a little smart mouth. But she's funny.

I said to her "Britney, your 5 right?." She says "Yeah... duuhhh."

I asked "When will you be six?"

To which she replied "When I'm through being 5."

That's just too funny.

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Repetative prayer

by keo15929 in

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friends

i hate to do this but i've got to say something about a certain elder that used to get me so annoyed when he prayed.

it's like he had his prayer prepared on a script with a few fill in the blanks here and there.

it's probably been over a year since i've heard him pray but i know his prayer by heart.

keo15929

I hate to do this but I've got to say something about a certain elder that used to get me so annoyed when he prayed. It's like he had his prayer prepared on a script with a few fill in the blanks here and there. It's probably been over a year since I've heard him pray but I know his prayer by heart. "All wise and everlasting God Jehovah we come before you now in ya son Jesus name to thank you for the many things you provide. We thank you for our life, health and strength and everything you do for us to keep us going day in and day out. And now as we prepare to get into our (fill in the blank) we ask that your holy spirit be with us. These and other blessings we ask in ya son Jesus name. Amen"

I'm telling you this what he says almost verbatim EVERY single time. I mean he does add some things in their from time to time but he uses a couple of expressions over and over and over and over and over and over.............................................................................................................................................

If he ever feels he needs to make his prayer long you will here the expression "day in and day out" about 300 times.

Here's a converstation I'd like to have with him.

Elder: "Hey, how ya doin my brutha?"

Me: "I'm all right. I just keep going day in and day out."

Elder: "Been keepin up with ya Bible reading?"

Me: "Yeah I do it day in and day out."

Elder: How bout goin on a call with me this weekend?

Me: "Well, I've been pretty busy day in and day out lately. My job is demanding a lot of my time day in and day out. But I keep mustering up the strength to keep going day in and day out. But I'll be working day in and day out this weekend but maybe next weekend we can go on calls day in and day out.

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How many here have left the org because of this board?

by mrsjones5 in

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i ask this question because saki said this in another topic:and i would assume that a lot of people on this board left due to this board alone "proving" the lies of the wts.

so, it this true or false?

or is this mostly true or mostly false?

keo15929

Can you believe this, it was because of experiences in the ministry work that made me decide not to go back to the KH. For one thing I was at someone's house that I had known for a long time trying to start a study with him and he brought up questions that made me uncomfortable. One thing was that JW's are taught not to serve in govt offices but the Bible shows that God's people in the past had done that very thing and were blessed by God. Of course I had an answer for that but I failed to convince him. That experience taught me that honest hearted people can rightfully come to different conclusions on the matter of Bible interpretation. I had always thought if a person was truly honest hearted then they would become a JW. But that's clearly not true. The Bible simply isn't clear enough to lead all honest hearted people to the same conclusion.

Another thing he did was to ask an honest question, "how can I trust the WTS when they have been wrong so many times on the matter of predictions?" He didn't accuse them of being false prophets because he made room for the reasoning that they have never claimed to recieve an inspired message from God but simply thought these predictions were true based on their interpretation of the Bible. But still, he had a legitamit question. An honest hearted person could rightly conclude that the WTS was untrustworthy.

I found out that hardly anything is ever black and white. Of course after an experience like that I started thinking and being truthful with myself and as you can see from my earlier post I was willing to accept the conclusion that the facts pointed to.

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How many here have left the org because of this board?

by mrsjones5 in

jw
friends

i ask this question because saki said this in another topic:and i would assume that a lot of people on this board left due to this board alone "proving" the lies of the wts.

so, it this true or false?

or is this mostly true or mostly false?

keo15929

Auldsoul,

For me, it's not the various things that people INTERPRET as evidence that the WTS is evil that convinces me that the WTS is wrong. It's cold hard facts that aren't open to interpretation. For example, in the cong I was a part of the PO who was also supposedly part of the "annointed" was found out to be a child molestor by his new wife. He had been guilty of this for years while serving as an elder. Obviously, if God were directing matters no child molestor would serve as an elder for even 1 second. And the elders are supposed to be appointed by holy spirit but I know thats not true because some who were nothing but spies were appointed as such. People sent to spy on the JW org. I read that in the "Proclaimers" book.

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

keo15929

Parakeet

The only thing I was trying to say is that I feel that most elders are sincere and are not evil people who are out to get you. That doesn't mean that I don't believe some of their beliefs are harmful. Like I have said consistently, I prefer to attack the issues not the person. It's just that many people on this site seem to think that all WT leaders are dishonest, evil, vile and discusting. I personally haven't seen enough evidence to convince me of that. But I will say this, Odrade spoke of someone who is a convicted child rapist but is still giving talks at kingdom halls. That disturbs me big time. I was taught that a person cannot serve in this capcity ever if they are a known child molester.

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

keo15929

You all are obiviously very concerned about the safety of children and I am also. But false allegations can and do occur. And they can be for any reason. A lot of times psychologists are guilty of creating false memories in children. I just wonder how all of you would react if you were the one being falsely accused? Say you work with children, a child gets mad because you punished them for talking too much so they decide to tell everyone you molested them. You are immediately suspended or fired from your job. Your life is virtually over because of something stupid. What a nightmare that would be. I could go right now and accuse anyone I want to of being a child molester and spread that news from here to China and ruin your reputation and your life. If a child really has been molested by a person in the congregation then they should tell their parents who in turn tells the authorities. I would hold the parents responsible for the safety of their children and they should do whatever it takes to protect them. And I would consider it logical and proper for the victom to warn others who have children that might have some sort of contact with the accused if the accusations were true. Only the child would know that. I would in no way recommend anything that keeps a child in harms way. And I haven't personally seen any situation where elders instruct someone not to give warnings to others. All I'm saying is that the elders make decisions based on their understanding of the Bible and they feel it is against the Bible to take one persons word over another in any kind of judicial decision. They feel they simply can't biblically do anything to the accused without the proper evidence. Unfortunately the proper evidence in this kind of situation often times is not possible to attain. The elders feel that if such an accusation is true that Jehovah will bring it to light one way or the other. That's where it can become harmful to have such a strong belief. This is one of the very things that convince me that God is not directing matters. Elders are supposed to be appointed by holy spirit yet I personally know of a former elder who was in that position for many years even after commiting acts of child molestation. Also some have been appointed as such who were just spys sent to gather information on the organization. I strongly feel that most elders and the WTS leaders are genuinely sincere but they feel bound to a book for every little detail and unfortunately that book doesn't always lead them to reasonable solutions to problems. The Bible does contain a 2 witness rule and I disagree with it in the case of child molestation but I have to be honest enough to admit that I disagree with the Bible and not just the witnesses.

How do you all feel about the passages in the Bible where God tells the Israelites to kill off every man woman and child? Now that's pure evil to me. Thats another reason I doubt the Bible very seriously. Kill innocent children just because their parents are supposedly bad......????

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

keo15929

If you had a job which involves children and you were falsely accused of molestation should you immediately be fired and have your reputation destroyed by others "warning" every one that you are a child molester? Would you resign from your job and give every one the impression that you are guilty? If you ever get into that predicament and you still feel the same then I would accept your point of view. Just because someone is accused of being a molester doesn't mean they are nessesarily guilty and should be stoned to death. This is a very hard matter to deal with and no matter how you handle it someone will critisize you. I understand the seriousness of the crime but I also understand the seriousness of accusing someone falsely so you better know both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being rash.

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Does the Policy of the Watchtower Create a Safe Haven for Child Molesters?

by listen in

not a society apologist!!

just wanting to know what you all think.

does this "sound" fair & balanced, you decide.

keo15929

Odrade,

I like your comment about the feathers in the mouth. That was funny.

A witness would say this to you in reply (keep in mind, I'm not saying it) "your desire to find something with which to acuse the WTS is blinding you to the reality that the brothers are handling matters biblically to the best of their ability"

I will say this, the dog with the feather in his mouth would be equivalent to DNA evidence against a molester. If there is the word of the victom and DNA evidence then their would be a gross injustice on the part of the Elders if they then took no action. But I haven't heard of a case like that.

Now I'm a nuetral person, so if I here a comment as described above by a witness and then I hear yours, what am I to conclude except that this is a typical case of the same incident viewed from totally different perspectives? It's like this, if you here two people arguing, who's side do you take if both seem to make equally valid points? It's more than just a desire to be fair, I can't help that my sense of reasoning keeps leading me to the same conclusion. To tell you I felt differently would be to lie to you and to myself. That's one of the reasons I got away from the JW's, to quit having to lie to myself.

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What?! People have actually met and dated through this site???

by keo15929 in

i never even thought of that till i read some of these posts.

i actually met a girl through the internet one time while i was still a witness.

she was on the other side of the country though.

keo15929

I can see that candidlynuts is a 92 year old grey colored duck.