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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

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friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

These two were once the powers at Bethel...

but they owe their existence to the REAL founder...

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Thanks NoRegrets!

Satanus, you evil thang,

you say,

Post 21184 of 21185
Since 8/31/2001

I understand that the board of directors, the guys who own wt stock, are outside elders, and they are the ones who come in for the annual meetings. Are you saying that those are NOT the guys w the real powers, that the real powers were/are a few bethel heavies and such guys as knorr and freddie franz?

Well Knorr and Franz were certainly the heaviest (Knorr literally). Knorr was probably 230 lbs.

No, they are mostly still in charge at Bethel!

SURPRISE!!

First there is the devil...

OK just kidding. Even he wouldn't stoop to their level.

None of them are on the GB and never will be.

They use the GB like puppets to run their big fantabulous organization.

They don't WANT to be known... think of secret Catholic power circles from the Middle Ages.

Or modern Bishops who shuffle pedophiles around to sample many churches.

Evil thrives on many levels of secrecy, and they are one of the very few organizations in this world who has been able to keep such secrets.

Cardinal Mahoney is of the same nature... an amazing comparison actually.

They are the "Illuminatis" on the Watchtower's boards of directors. Uh, who is the President?

Who made HIM president, and WHY?

That is ABOVE the Governing Body.

Randy

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Coco, I still want you.

My dad taught me to give to others without thought of return, if they are trustwortly. Jesus taught me I had to give it away.

I don't argue with Him! OR the Holy Spirit.

"Jehovah," however, can take a long hike and never come back.

a "few" years ago. LOL

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Thank you Gladiator,

and Terry!

My dad taught me the relative value of having a lot of money. Life is short, enjoy it and share it with others. Even if you are a lot different than them. If you can make someone smile, you have all the rewards you need in this life.

Heathen sez,

wicked men and imposters sounds like it to me , look at the latest change in the FDS dogma , unbelievable to blatantly dodge accountability like that . I believe at some point the church was interested in finding the truth but I agree with you that they became corrupted by the ring of power , shall we say .. my precious ..........

...and don't get on me for believing in Jesus. I was a hippie Jesus Freak in the 60s. We invented the culture. And we didn't need the bible or churches, either. It was a memetic leap in social consciousness. Sort of like John Lennon, only not atheistic. Who cared what each other believed? My girlfriend was into Edgar Cayce and I was into dinosaurs and Egypt.

Did we stop and ask ourselves what God thought of our "morality?

NO!

We knew he was on our side. :-))

We didn't go around starting wars and climbing our way into power positions and building empires. We built communes and put flowers in yer hair!

But we did ride motorcycles and hunt jackrabbits!

My Life Before Jehovah’s Witnesses

My nickname was Toadman and I named one of my many cars Martha the Elephant.

It was mainly used on Halloween for egg fights in our neighborhood clan of hoodlums.

I bought it from the wholesalers when I was a Ford Tune-up mechanic in the late 60s for $50, as most of my cars.

SEE HERE

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

sd7 sez,

Good to hear you're moving forward. I noticed someone commented on your link to the 'Franz Incident', I believe, and seemed to doubt what you'd said about the Bethel purge, if you will. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't observed how my family handled my awakening firsthand...they can be very vicious and very cold about it all.

You are referring to this subject:

http://www.randallwatters.org/randypt2.htm

and "The Franz Incident"

http://www.randallwatters.org/exjws/bethel/incident.htm

POLITICAL CARTOONS

http://www.randallwatters.org/exjws/bethel/toons/graffiti.htm

Here is a HEAP of articles that will keep you up at night: (Have a beer first)

http://www.randallwatters.org/Bethel/bethel.htm

and the two best of all:

Warren Schroeder Brooklyn Bethelite from 1979-1982

http://www.randallwatters.org/Bethel/WarrenSchroeder.htm

Bless his heart, Warren had some real cohones.

I wish I had known him when I was there.

I worked in the pressroom with all the BA's. (Bad Attitudes)

(What do you expect from a 60s hippie?)

http://www.randallwatters.org/randypt1.htm

I never kissed anyone's ass there. It would be a dishonor to all hippies everywhere!! (Plus counter-revolutionaries and other anarchists). I would have to bow my head in shame!

I just knew how to get ahead into key positions (and I think I had some help from above.) My dad tought me that, who is much better than Jehovah:

http://freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2458:why-my-dad-was-better-than-jehovah&catid=8:randys-blog&Itemid=571

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Hi Pickler,

You say,

Thanks dog patch, I'm new to these forums, but have been out of TT for years. I'm blown away by the courage & strength of so many who have worked to expose what JW really is.

It's not so much courage... I just have nothing to lose! Let them sue me! I would go ape shi$%^ for the opportunity to go public with nearly 40 years of their very embarrassing secrets! I am sure they would prefer to torture me, especially Gene Smalley. Personally, if I were him with his mindset, I would spend a small fortune to get rid of me. Imagine every Witness who gets online and types in his name! TRY IT.

Gene Smalley y la Doctrina de Transfusión de Sangre de la Watchtower

Gene Smalley e Doutrina da Torre de Vigia de Transfusão de Sangue

Gene Smalley and the Watchtower's Blood Transfusion Doctrine

http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=210:bethel-libraries&catid=132:barbara-anderson&Itemid=338

Most Wanted Watchtower Leaders - For Crimes Against Humanity

STOP being naive - the time has come to use your PRIMAL SENSES

and many other articles by others.

I tend to be relentless and follow you like a wolverine if you hurt others I love. Even if it takes 30 years to cut your balls off. But I'll let you live. Just get out of our faces!

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Hi Pickler,

You say,

Thanks dog patch, I'm new to these forums, but have been out of TT for years. I'm blown away by the courage & strength of so many who have worked to expose what JW really is.

It's not so much courage... I just have nothing to lose! Let them sue me! I would go ape shi$%^ for the opportunity to go public with nearly 40 years of their very embarrassing secrets! I am sure they would prefer to torture me, especially Gene Smalley. Personally, if I were him with his mindset, I would spend a small fortune to get rid of me. Imagine every Witness who gets online and types in his name! TRY IT.

Gene Smalley y la Doctrina de Transfusión de Sangre de la Watchtower

Gene Smalley e Doutrina da Torre de Vigia de Transfusão de Sangue

Gene Smalley and the Watchtower's Blood Transfusion Doctrine

http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=210:bethel-libraries&catid=132:barbara-anderson&Itemid=338

Most Wanted Watchtower Leaders - For Crimes Against Humanity

STOP being naive - the time has come to use your PRIMAL SENSES

and many other articles by others.

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Thanks, y'all!

Phizzy sez,

So, who are the real demons behind the watchtower, and why don't they come on out so we can see them ?

That's like pedophiles deciding to come out in the open.

Suicide. Truly powerful people like to keep it secret how much power they really have, so no one will even THINK of taking THEM down! They're too nice!! Ralph Lindem was a good example, head of spending Watchtower Money in the factory.

But anyone who was at Bethel for several years in the 60s-80s knew who they were, especially if they worked with them in the home. One of the most powerful of them is the President of the main corporation. Ask Barb Anderson, she'll tell you, as she worked with them! I was in the factory, but got most of my info from Tom Cabeen. He and Gloria lived across the hall from Ray and Cynthia Franz, and they were very good friends. :-))

Plus Tom knew just about everyone else who was important at Bethel... I mostly knew the factory gnomes and a few of the GB, but none of the real players in the 124 offices. Though I lived next door to Harley Miller and his wife Brook. Harley WAS basically the Service Dept. (later becoming the ASS TROOPS (oops, sorry I meant SS troops) under Jaracz. But Harley was pretty well liked, Jaracz was not liked by hardly anyone. He was like a Russian army officer during the cold war.I heard his long conversations in the hallway with depressed JWs and ellders asking what to do in this case or that case nearly ever day for several years. Heck, I could have worked in the SS department after that education! If you wqant to understand this phenomena, read:

How The Watchtower's Unholy Trinity Speaks

You had to work with them intimately in the 124 Columbia Heights offices to know what was really behind the circus. But it was noty really a conspiracy, just a clever and deceptive business model that worked very well for many decades. Works the same way in many large business corporations, as it "works". anything to keep the collective going... the mighty BORG.

Randy

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

Thank you Tik! The best to you.

Randy

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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

i apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?

(don't answer that!).

i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).

Dogpatch

I apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.

Did you miss me? (Don't answer that!)

I am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, I really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer). But it doesn't end on a sad note, once I get myself back in shape and out from behind a desk, I will be much better. At least I never get sick, it's all hereditary crap.

Plus, my original goal has been reached, to do everything in my power to:

(1) help cripple the authoritarian control of the Watchtower over millions of people, and...

(2) to "deprogram" many thousands of Witnesses from the implanted stupidity of the Watchtower doctrines and encourage them to get out and get a REAL LIFE, free from guilt and misery completely, and...

(3) to teach them how to enjoy life the best they can with what years they have left. I had no other agenda for them. Jesus was in charge of converting them... that was not my job. Far be it from me to take the place of the Holy Spirit. I see that too much in the churches.

Converting people is NOT my thing. I rarely judge people, as their reasons for what they do are too complex. My job is to be in the right place at the right time, and allow room for the Spirit to do HIS work. That's why I have never concerned myself with "invisibles," like who is saved and who isn't, and what the invisible sky-daddies and super-daddies are doing. How the hell would I know??

In fact, I considered "converting" people over to "my" path as blasphemous to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the only one I ever truly dreaded, crossing HIS path or "taking over his job." I have always been gently punished for crossing the Spirit. I won't touch that with a 10 foot pole!

I was never afraid of "Satan" and never have been. Though I loved horror movies even as a child (NOT slasher movies, but stuff like Ambrose Bierce and Edgar Allen Poe). I've read several of Anton LaVey's books, visited his home in Northeren Calif. (after his death), attended several supposed exorcisms, attempted to sleep in a haunted house when I was 13, and made home movies where I was dressed in black and with my wand turned people into dog do-do (in the spirit of John Waters).

I have also done everything in my life (well, after about 18 years old) with a clean conscience, I can say in all honesty. I have never catered to any man. The only employer I ever had besides working at Anderson Lithograph the year after I left Bethel was my first real job at 16, working at a fish n' chips shop, and I was fired after 10 days because I couldn't keep up with the "assembly line" (I was left-handed and it didn't work). The job paid $1.35/hr. Oh, and I was a Ford mechanic (tune up) part time while I pioneered in Canoga Park right before going to Bethel. I never was too concerned with making money. So I was in heaven working at Bethel for $14/mo. for six years. LOL.

Hey, I got a slice of pizza in Brooklyn once a week and went to the movies once a month. I was there when the original STAR WARS came out and showed in Cinerama in Manhattan. (There was a contest going on among the Bethelites as to who watched the movie the most times - some saw it over 30-40 times!)

Bethelites were a rare breed. So I fit right in.

My goal was not so much to warn outsiders but to set the insiders free. Although as a licensed Foursquare pastor starting as early as 1984, I later traveled the world speaking in churches and even assemblies of pastors, especially in Australia and Japan, and hundreds of churches in California.

I'm over 2012.

That's one reason I want the new Freeminds site up right away, as it is made in Wordpress, doesn't crash and isn't buggy, and people can enter articles themselves. The site is up but not "online," thanks to Juan Viejo, who has done much work on it. Plus I had to get the latest files from the old site on the new one, as well as the most favorite of the old articles. When the site goes live in a couple of weeks or so, you will like it much better than this site. We are also looking for experienced bloggers AND vloggers, as most all of our old ones have retired.

Why the Changeover?

It is easier to navigate and find things (although until we get all 2-3000 articles converted from the old Freeminds site, it will remain up as well with a link from the new site, and as we transfer the articles over gradually to the new site, we will delete them from the old, and in time the old site will be junked. It was very buggy from the beginning and caused myself and Paul Morrison a great deal of grief trying to keep it fixed. Wordpress is much better suited to our needs. Joomla is way too buggy when you try to convert 3 gigs of files from html to Joomla and don't really know what you are doing. Besides, it is not a favorite format with Google... Wordpress is much more search engine-friendly.

Times and technology change.

It's no wonder that there are several forums out there of people who have set up Joomla sites and they all face similar disasters fairly often, unless it is a site starting in the latest Joomla from scratch. CONVERTING files is simply a nightmare. You can take that piece of crap software and send it to Iran as far as I'm concerned... it nearly ruined Paul's and my life trying to keep it working, and LOTS of money. My health suffered a great deal, having to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week for 2 years, outsourcing work to experts overseas, requesting help from my web providers at site5.com (they are good but at $45/mo. for hosting I can't afford them anymore). And like everyone else, I have spent so much time and money on it I am broke and crippled and hating life for having EVER converting my site to Joomla (it wasn't my idea, nor Paul's!)

I have no social life, I can't spend time with my buds and buddesses on Facebook (1500 or more of them) or LinkedIn or Google Plus. I have no vacations. I have no time to visit my neighbors or call my family much.

Then people think I am waning, and I am not. I want to get out and help people again. Besides, my 31 years' goal of crippling the Watchtower's abusive control over the lives of others, along with the efforts of many of you, has been nearly accomplished. They are a lion with no teeth and should be laughed at.

Like Christian Science, I would almost rather see them stick around just to watch the carnival. Especially now that they are hoarding everything in upstate New York (and can't even sell their properties to pay for Candace Conti's lawsuit victory for probably another year.) Their arrogance has slapped them down to the ground, forever more.

Sure, they'll be around for quite a while. Just like Christian Science and the Worldwide Church of God sects (although the main leaders turned to historical Christianity after Armstrong died, thanks to Joseph Tkach. They also changed their name.) But the loss of most of their members to little break-off groups of worshippers of the late Herbert W. Armstrong has left them with little money or property.

That's actually good... churches thrive on poverty, at least spiritually. People love one another and help one another more, and they can be a real family community. But when a church has one charismatic leader (like Russell, Rutherford, and Knorr), they get arrogant and proud and look down on other "Christians" as being stupid and low class. It becomes a powerful collective ego. But now that the Bethel old folks' dentures are falling out one by one, and the puppet-like Governing Body is extremely ignorant and has no charisma at all, it's all but over, folks. Sure, they still be around for a long time, but so will Christian Science! And when was the last time anyone was afraid of them?

The REAL powers that be at Bethel have always been hidden from public view. They are the ones that run the corporation.They are the ones who decide how all the money is spent, how to make more money and property purchases, and how to silence opposition. Don't even think the GB are really running the show! They are merely puppets on a string, and have zero charisma (which will destroy their credibility).

At least some of the 18 Governing Body members that were appointed 3 years after I went to Bethel in 1974 (and watched this sad drama) had some personality and charisma, but the current crop are real losers and Youtube videos from detractors as well as Sparlock teaching cartoons has, to their embarrassment, made it clear to almost everyone watching these videos how pitiful, ignorant and out of touch they really are. They are becoming the laughing stock of the internet world. Someday Watch Tower history will likely be made into a good movie that will astound thinking people.

Personally, I never believed more than 75% of what they taught... it was just so obvious what their motives were. If I hadn't spent 6 years at Bethel and saw it for myself, and talked to many old timers, I would still be oblivious to their vile and life-threatening schemes to intimidate and control innocent people.

Then you have men guilty of really serious crimes against humanity like Gene Smalley and Fred Rusk for running the "no blood" show (invented by Fred Franz in the "Rutherford slump" (after his forced takeover of the organization) to intentionallydrum up persecution and gain many new zealous members as a result, at the cost of how many tens of thousands of innocent lives... when Charles Russell HIMSELF said the supposed "prohibition on blood" was not a law for Christians, but for keeping from stumbling the Jews!

Russell at least agreed with the apostle Paul that he could walk into an idol temple and eat the meat offered up to the false god and not be affected at all or disapproved by God. And that was much worse than taking a blood transfusion as far as the tribal god YHWH was concerned!

I remember Nathan Knorr going to Italy and touring the Vatican and some old cathedrals while services were going on, and telling us about it at the Bethel table! You think he was afraid of demons??

KNORR was the demon. And Fred Franz was worse, but few have no idea of that secret. By outward appearances, Knorr was cantankerous and hated by many, ESPECIALLY at Bethel, but he was not nearly as deceptive and evil as Fred Franz. Franz was in the habit of inventing seriously life-threatening doctrines just to stand apart from other religions.

Truly Evil Leaders

I remember attending one Bethel elder's meetings in 1979 where Karl Klein said Freddy has been "our oracle for the last 67 years."

! I almost tossed my cookies on that one. Things like that prompted me to write the very first expose' of what happened at Bethel in 1981, and thanks to Ralph Moore, pastor of Hope Chapel in Hermosa Beach, I was allowed to print 10,000 copies of it (gratis, thank you Ralph!) and sent them around the world. That's how Free Minds got started.

A lot of credit goes to Edmond Gruss, who wrote the first thorough rebuttal of the Watchtower organization and doctrines in 1970, called "Apostles of Denial." After I had left Bethel in disgust in 1980, I visited Ed and I was so encouraged by him that I stayed up all that night and wrote my story. It was the first time any insider told the story of the "Franz Incident." Ed was one of the first true insider whistle-blowers on the WT. He was not mean, had no axe to grind, but told it like it was. Ed later became professor of History and Apologetics at L.A. Baptist College for many years. I have a video interview with him, taken many years ago when he was writing his book, Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Doctrinal Changes, and Prophetic Speculation. I will try and get it up soon again.

By the way, the Watchtower speaks out of many contradictory mouths. As far as the blood transfusion doctrine, it has been in the process of dissolution for about two years. They are now being forced to gradually abandon it without looking like they are abandoning it. No one is being disfellowshipped for taking a blood transfusion in the last couple of years, unless this "crime" is interconnected with other crimes, like "thought crimes" and other "1984" similarities. They are very intelligent, but often do evil things. It's their nature. - Randy