i am just curious about this because although i agree with many of the posters here that the wt society is guilty of many horrible deeds, i still believe they are right when it comes to doctrinal things as i mention.
especially hellfire.
i just don't see how anybody that has studied the bible for many years like many of the ex-jws here can make an about face and go back to believing hellfire.
Hellfire was invednted long before the New Testament by leaders seeking control. It is not in the Old Testament. The New Testament writers bought into it, as did the Pharisees, etc. Jesus even used it to scare people.
http://www.randallwatters.org/hellcomp.htm
Randy
this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.
alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.
however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.
mouthy mom!
it's taken a while, but i've finally managed to put up an article on this remarkable court case.. a link to my article is below:.
http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.
i've tried very hard to make the article as factual as possible by reading and comparing the various documents available.
My correction: Technically Candace was never baptized, her mother was DF'ed twice but was reinstated so is still technically a JW. The father never became a JW.
Randy
alan'swife, julie, talked to the cardiologist this morning.
the news about alan's heart is good.
he described the heart attack as mild and said that although there is damage to the lower portion of his heart, the pumping action probably won't be affected much.
Thanks for posting that Barb.
We both love Alan and Julie.
Randy
this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.
alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.
however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.
Dear Alan,
I wish you a strong recvovery, and give my love to Julie.
I met you years ago out here in Calif. with several other key apostates from H2O and BRCI. We had a great time, didn't we?
Keep going and get your strength back. If you would like to do an online interview sometime, let me know, would love to.
It has benn 30 years since then, and most of us are still around.
For the benefit of the newer ones, I will share some articles about or from you for their cenlightenment.
Alan ALWAYS had a great sense of humor! You could never take him TOO seriously, which is why we got along.
Here they are:
Biology and the Watchtower Society
Rutherford's Propaganda Machine
Alan Feurbacher's email to Joel Engardia of Knocking.org
Watchtower Corporate Interests Trump Gross Negligence with Ted Jaracz (interview on phone with Jaracz)
May you have peace and healing my friend.
Randy Watters
kinda wondering about this,because our p.o.used to take me,and probably other young girls out,alone,in field service,and let his penis hang out of his pants.i was so young,that i really wasnt sure what it was.being raised on a farm,and slaughtered many animals,i though it was some sort of entrail'..i know,ignorant country girl.this happened for years tho..another girlfriend had an elder try to touch her on several occasions,and was publicly reproved when she told her mum{a devout jw} about it...not looking for any money,but it would be nice to get all of them.the guy that i had my issues with had an airplane and always counseled others on materialism.my brother got 'counseled'by this clown, because he put an 8track in his car!!
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Sorry, I am no expert on this issue. Contact an attorney with a good record. Barb and Kerry Louderback-Wood can help you in that.
Randy
in another thread, socrateswannebe shared district convention notes:.
a kinder, gentler jehovah emerges at the 2012 dc?.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227660/1/a-kinder-gentler-jehovah-emerges-at-the-2012-dc.
irondork says,
LET IT BE KNOWN that this is a load of crap! Even if that statememnt were written on page one of every piece of WTS literature from now until the end of the overlapping generations, it would still be a load of crap. The truth of the situation that actually exists on the ground, in the halls, by elders and drones alike is a complete and utter disdain and disrespect for any GLBT person who is "out" and open about it. In-house shunning, jokes, laughter... don't be fooled by the statement above. It's like the U.S. Congress passing a Bill of Rights and then saying, "There! Problem Solved."
Again, we see the nature of the Unholy Trinity:
ok.. you 70 plus bethelite members.... this is your chance to share stories!
inquiring minds want to know !no full names please..follow t.o.s.
to avoid borg libel lawsuits).. i will start the ball rolling with week one.
Quendi says,
I don't believe the remark about testing was meant to endorse the notion of deliberately putting others through the wringer to find some kind of breaking point.
You are correct. Actually Kite had a sense of humor, and it really didn't mean any more than that. If you listen to a few of his sermons, which I still have somewhere on cassette, plus I have watched him speak, he mixed an unusual brew of humor with WT fear tactics. That's why so many JWs liked him, he was almost human and provided comic relief to the dire messages.
Randy
it's taken a while, but i've finally managed to put up an article on this remarkable court case.. a link to my article is below:.
http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.
i've tried very hard to make the article as factual as possible by reading and comparing the various documents available.
Now that it is public that Candace and her mother are talking to apostates, I would think that would cause her more trouble and prevent an interesting song and dance with the WT, as they find good reasons to DF her and her mother. Are we sure that's a good idea?
Randy
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how well do you think about we can get the word out about the watchtower's embarrassing pr disaster before witnesses attend their conventions?.
