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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

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  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  (I wont insert Craigs argument since you found it erronous).

  I do not necessarily find it erroneous. I find it relatively weak compared to other arguments.

  As for me, I believe that God is the ultimate source of everything.

  Since everything means everything, this, of course, includes moral truths that we both hold as true and agree upon.

  I think evolution can explain a great deal of our morality, and perhaps even all of it, although I have no proof of that either.

  Bohm could say that what we regard as moral law is natural for successfully cooperative, intelligent life like our own.

  I would agree.

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  Los Testigos de Jehova y las transfusiones de sangre

  by porfiada in

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  hola amigos.

  si tiene alguna duda o pregunta sobre el tema de las transfusiones de sangre, visiten:.

  http://www.ajwrb.org/tjinfo.htm.

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  Hello friends,

  If you have any doubts or questions on the subject of blood transfusions, visit:

  http://www.ajwrb.org/tjinfo.htm

  ....where you will find everything you need to make a responsible and informed decision.

  Remember that what you decide directly affects yourselves and your family when you least expect it.

  Warm greetings

  An informed JW,

  Hello, Porfiada.

  Porfiada:

  Este sitio es en Ingles, y esta llena de ex-Testigos de Jehova. Conocemos bien los problemas con las ensenanzas de los TJs en cuanto a las transfusiones de sangre.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  we have done absolutely nothing so far in terms of establishing if God exist or not.

  Even if it is a weak argument, it is more than "absolutely nothing". All we have with Craig's moral argument is suggestive. To hold to it is an act of faith.

  So whats the argument for God?

  There are a number of them articulated by Craig himself. You already have the link to his website.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  Tammy, i got no clue.

  Finally.

  If this is the case, your believing in certain moral standards as good is nothing less than an act of faith.

  You have no way to prove them, since you know of no source for these standards. You believe in them.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  Bohm, you have taken a statement of belief (God is behind objective morality) and merely substituted a different belief.

  I think its obvious one should not rape like its obvious for me 2+2 = 4.

  You still do not answer the questions. It may be obvious for you, but it might not be obvious to another from a different moral environment and, hence, a different moral compass.

  Your moral compass is informed by 3000 years of Western ethics heavily influenced by the evolution of Judeo-Christianity. It is the air you breathe, and therefore you make claims of self-evidency where no philosophical thing exists.

  It is not 2+2=4. Other cultures have or had no truck sanctioning activities you would likely regard as abhorrent--ranging from ritual rape to cannibalism. All of these cultures, however, grok basic maths.

  Ding asked these kinds of questions again and again (I finally read the thread entirely), and he got no answers to his questions on whence an objective moral framework. All he got was an attack on one particular explanation for a source. At least Craig had the courage to put one forward to get shot at by those that disagree.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  because we would ultimately have to argue human life have no value -- and i say it have, i find that self-evident.

  How is it self-evident in this case? Sounds like a dodge.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  Eric point out an excellent logical problem -- how do they become objective if they depend on the whim of God

  Depends on how you define God. If you define God as as Truth itself (truth is its inviolable nature) and of an entirely different set or class from all other things, it is not a problem. However, as I said, Craig's argument is relatively weak. I won't defend it here.

  I smelled a tasty issuing from the poster that started the thread. I asked a question. In his response, it appears that he has dropped it as being too hot.

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  Help me make sence of William Lane Craigs nonsense

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i tried to read a transcript of a debate william lane craig had a few years back.

  this particular argument which i have heard him give many times stumbled me for all the wrong reasons.

  the argument is as this: (http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/craig-smith_harvard02.html).

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  I think this is a weak argument. Craig has much stronger ones, however. Also, "nonsense" is a bit of flame bait on a thread that I would think was for civil discussion Bohm.

  because we would ultimately have to argue human life have no value -- and i say it have, i find that self-evident.

  How is it self-evident in this case? Sounds like a dodge.

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  This Could Turn the World Upside Down

  by metatron in

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  http://pesn.com/2011/01/19/9501747_cold-fusion-journals_warming_to_rossi_breakthrough/.

  if you've been following the "cold fusion" controversy, you may know how difficult it has been to get opponents to get their facts straight , as many of these blogs point out.

  the reporting has not been fair, accurate or unbiased.. ok, so maybe "cold fusion" is entirely misleading - but clearly, something profound is happening, that the authorities are upset about.

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  In the meantime, this, in my opinion, represents the best idea out there for low temperature fusion (not cold fusion).

  Inertial Electrostatic Containment Fusion.

  http://www.emc2fusion.org/

  I've spoken with Dr. Nebel. Unfortunately, he is very careful about what he can reveal. The US Navy is funding the project but it has also received ARRA (stimulus package) funds.

  There is also Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, which is taking a different route.

  Dense Plasma Focus Fusion:

  http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com

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  This Could Turn the World Upside Down

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://pesn.com/2011/01/19/9501747_cold-fusion-journals_warming_to_rossi_breakthrough/.

  if you've been following the "cold fusion" controversy, you may know how difficult it has been to get opponents to get their facts straight , as many of these blogs point out.

  the reporting has not been fair, accurate or unbiased.. ok, so maybe "cold fusion" is entirely misleading - but clearly, something profound is happening, that the authorities are upset about.

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  has not been published or replicated yet.

  Indeed, and why not? I will wait until then. A detailed description of the device and experimental protocols seem to be wanting at first glance as well. Additionally, looking at the actual experiment, it should be easy to replicate by others if the methodology is revealed in a peer reviewed paper.

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