OnTheWayOut

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walking out and about.
by zeb in
1. social
2. physical
just starting back slow and steady at my walking after a ride in an ambulance recently.

heart is fine im glad to say.
OnTheWayOut

Walk on, glad to hear it.
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How To Witness to Jehovah's Witnesses Video
by Perry in
1. jw
2. friends
i recently shared my views on how to witness to jehovah's witnesses to a local congregation.

the video link is also below:.

maybe this will help some reach out to loved ones that are still members.. .
OnTheWayOut

I can say everything that I want to say to a JW in less than 5 minutes. On dozens of occasions, I have achieved the "deer in the headlights" look every time using the method that my wife and I demonstrated.
You can never "say" anything in less than 5 minutes. You always find some link to bizarre thoughts that takes an hour or more. I saw the preachy look of this video and that it was over an hour and I didn't even bother with it. (I probably should just to see what you and your wife look like, but since there is no actual bird on your shoulder, I lose interest.) That's the reaction of a JW also- instant turn-off. And your getting a JW to have that "deer in the headlights" look- how helpful is that? I know you think you are reaching them because you reach a stumping point. But time and time again, people have stumped your closed mind on this forum by pointing out flaws in your fundamentalist thinking or demonstrating why evolution or global warming must be true. You get that "deer" look and then just go on and post more links to garbage.
I am pretty sure the average JW just goes on when you point out contradictions to their beliefs in the book that is loaded with contradictions. Perry, all I ever see from you is that you are the JW of fundamentalism here. You refuse to learn and grow in any direction other than "I have the truth, I know I am right."
Remember, I continue to point this out to you because you are just like a JW. I believe you truly want someone to reach through your closed mind and wake you up. It's why you keep posting garbage here. You truly want us to snap you out of accepting it.
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If someone asked you, 'Are you a righteous person'? What would be your answer?
by Esse quam videri in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what would be your answer?

are you are a righteous person?

on a scale of 1-10, how righteous do you feel you are?.
OnTheWayOut
[Those who do not believe in righteousness may leave. Please close the door quietly behind you.]
Alrighty then. I looked it up.
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right·eous
ˈrīCHəs/
adjective
1.
(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
"he is a good, righteous man, I am sure"
synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent; More
2.
USinformal
very good; excellent.
"righteous bread pudding"
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So after I looked it up, I determined that "righteous" is not exclusive to religion and believers in God. Who doesn't accept that some kind of pudding isn't that good that it is righteous, or that a person is decent and upright enough for that label?
I had a feeling your question really led to a Biblical standard of following what each poster believes are God's standards of righteousness, just by your attempt to dismiss people that don't "believe in righteousness."
While I never had "righteous" bread pudding, I have had "righteous" sexual encounters and "righteous" reactions to alcohol/chemical experiences.
I have also determined that I have a way better standard of righteousness than the racist, womanizing, rape-approving, killer of the Bible than it's God does.

I am a decent guy. I don't go around deliberately hurting people. I don't kill people and take their virgin daughters as "wives." I give myself a TEN.

Tony's life story

by life is to short in

so i finally read tony's life story and this one point really hit me where he was talking about his son's.

on page 7 he say's "because they made the truth their own, they make susan and me look good.

so those who children leave the "truth" look bad?.

I won't be reading Tony's story because I made a 2011 New Year's Resolution to not read Watchtower garbage. I am not so ridged that I won't look at a thing or two, but reading their articles or viewing their videos in their entirety just makes me upset, so I don't do it.

So those who children leave the "truth" look bad?

I am sure that statement is intentional. It is a way to belittle anyone they wish to whose children did not stay in the religion, and it further emphasizes the need to make your children follow the rules and to break their spirit of "independence."

I was told that I SHOULD NEVER HAVE KIDS in this worldly system, Woe the pregnant women and yad, yad, yad. I was only about 12 years old in 1975 but I clearly remember the warning about not having kids.

You were correct in your understanding, but they must embrace those that didn't obey as fully as you because children are the only recruits they seem to get these days.

You are experiencing the two-faced speaking of Jehovah's Witnesses and their leaders. They can elevate themselves with the same actions that demote others. You and your husband were low-level members. Perhaps, at the congregation level, you could have experienced double standard blessings if you remained seemingly in line with the leaders, but you must not question them for even that to happen.

BART EHRMAN answers my question

by TerryWalstrom in

as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

question:.

how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

OnTheWayOut

He writes stuff like a child throwing a tantrum:

I immediately thought of what Perry writes when I read that.

Red Bull punted in baptismal talk

by Vidqun in

an acquaintance reported that the brother giving the baptismal talk at a regional assembly recently punted red bull a few times.

he never mentioned red bull by name, but he referred to the drink that "gives you wings" more than once.

this sounds like subliminal advertising.

OnTheWayOut

If it were said that baptism or taking life's water from Jehovah's Witnesses is comparable to a drink whose slogan is "gives you wings," then it was a horrible illustration that will confuse all those converted Catholics that it is part of the path to heaven- getting your angel wings. It will contribute (in some small way) in that area to partakers at the Memorial.

Either that, or it's just something that was said and 99% weren't really listening.

Jehovah Witness man Attacks TSA agent with machete in U.S airport- Made National news

by Newly Enlightened in

yes they did say he was a jw in this news report:.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/authorities-try-to-determine-new-orleans-airport-machete-attacker-s-motive-416322627620.

OnTheWayOut

The real question is...will they give him a memorial talk and will it be in the Kingdom Hall?

Actually, that is the real question. He snapped. His mental illness can be blamed. He was faithful to the blood doctrine, and we all know that's the real test when some JW is dying in the hospital.

I don't know enough about this guy to say anything about his beliefs contributing to his illness or lack of treatment, but I do know enough about the religion to know that Watchtower would have hoped he took blood so they could kick him out. But he blew that for them.

PERFECT TITLE : Obsolete building sails heavenward, helping train firefighters

by paulmolark in

jw
friends

http://www.chinookobserver.com/co/local-news/20150320/all-fired-up-obsolete-building-sails-heavenward-helping-train-firefighters.

plans to demolish an aging church created an opportunity for a multi-agency training burn.. .

long beach it was a sunday morning service unlike any other.. on march 15, a few dozen spectators mostly church members gathered to watch a fire training at the kingdom hall of jehovahs witnesses north of long beach.. the burn was made possible through a cooperative arrangement with the local congregation and fire departments in pacific, wahkiakum and cowlitz counties.

OnTheWayOut

Man-o-man! Despite it being an effort toward good will in the community from the local JW's, I would love love love to be a firefighter that gets to destroy a Kingdom Hall using fire.

Mind control.

by New day in

in a recent thread someone mentioned that the wtbts uses mind control techniques.

do you think this is a conscious ploy?

if it is it would mean that the leaders of my religion (i am still an active jw) set out consciously to control people.

OnTheWayOut

You are on to something. We debate this ourselves because some feel more strongly than others one way or the other. It does seem that somewhere back in the early days, "Bible Students" were free to disagree with certain things and as time went on, there was less tolerance for that.

I don't think that everyone among the presidents of Watchtower to the Governing Body all got up every morning and said they were ready for another day of mind-controlling the members. But when the writers of the strange doctrines said that God "spirit-directs" them (leaving room for error as compared to "inspires") they have to kind of insist that members go along without questioning it.

To me, the biggest factor in Watchtower going further and further down the path of dangerous mind-control was some kind of paranoia that members could not be trusted and would not do the right thing unless they were told what that right thing was. That, and always always always putting the preservation of the organization ahead of anything that might benefit individuals has gotten them where they are today.

Must the Elders Always be Told?

by snugglebunny in

i recall that some years ago the wt stated that not all offences need to be reported to the elders, but that confessing serious sins to another person who was not an elder could suffice.

the article stated that this did not include sexual offences and that these must be reported to the elders.. can anyone throw any light on this please?.

OnTheWayOut

There might possibly be some ancient article on confessing to Jehovah and maybe just ironing out a problem with a brother by going to that brother, but in the latter case I don't think it was about sin. It was about a difference between two "brothers." Heck, there might be an actual quote about confessing to another "person." But I just cannot imagine that it included serious sins such as the sexual ones or lighting a cigarette.

YES, that last one (smoking) is considered a serious sin- way more serious than beating your wife, lying on your taxes, getting a bit drunk. I could imagine that if it were "just" beating your wife, then they might say that there is no need to report it.