Posts by OnTheWayOut

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I have a serious problem

i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

I want to add that you say you don't want to be an a-hole. I would do anything I had to do if I had a son about to be dragged into that religion including getting kicked out for speaking against the religion to him. If I were to help him, I would also have to offer positive alternatives to the lies of JW'S and fun alternatives to meetings.

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I have a serious problem

by My Name is of No Consequence in

i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

OnTheWayOut

I fully agree with millie210 on page 2. I want to add that you tell the elders to tell this brother that your wife can do the study with the child. And tell the elders that because the brother has avoided you and arranged the auto, you totally cannot trust him, and they should suggest he keeps his distance from your wife.

while the child may not like some of this, better to get it over with. It really is not necessary for him to like anything JW-related anyway.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

Oh, both to Crazyguy and funForever:

If the government said everyone should evacuate, shouldn't the elders have cancelled the meetings that night and said, "We're supposed to evacuate." ? Shouldn't the branch have insisted on that?

Well, they had the meeting. I can imagine them laughing at everyone running away because they didn't have faith like the JW's have in Jehovah and "His" Kingdom Hall.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

Crazyguy, that is a good point. Do you know (since it was your post I refer to above) if the surge that killed 22 killed them at the Kingdom Hall?

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

millie, yes. They are two-faced about the buildings. Good point about them being "just buildings" once they get rid of them.

runForever, I do not know whether they were told about staying or not. I don't suggest they were told to stay and seek protection in their KH. I do suggest they didn't leave like they should have if there were really a decent pre-planned effort. I have a strong suspicion that the video says there was an effort to answer to those that say there wasn't one, but they say only that they texted the elders because they really didn't do anything else. I imagine some elders were texted by someone like a C.O. or D.O. and told to get out if they can.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

Notice this, previously said about the storm and the poor decisions of JW's from
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279535/they-died-because-they-stayed

The government had told people in these areas to get out but the JW's stayed for thier Thursday night meetings and then spent the night in thier kingdom halls to weather out the storm. Two of the 3 congregations even though their halls were destroyed they all survived but the third a hall in the worst hit area was not so lucky. A storm surge of water killed 22, in all 43 died. Despite the gb's spin if all the JW's would have listened to the authorities and left they would all have survived. But hey jehovah will protect esspecially if your in one of his holy kingdom halls. This is why this cult really scares me.

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

OnTheWayOut

I have a 2011 New Year Resolution to avoid reading JW literature or watch their videos.
I am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when I read the stuff.

Well, someone posted their video of Philippines Disaster Relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda. I watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with JW's and their leadership and, as I figured- I was angered.

So I will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading. It just isn't worth it.

In the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate. Now, I know the elders should text EVERYONE ELSE, but the video doesn't mention that. The video is lying about it anyway. If they had pre-planned the way the video leads you to believe, they should have been able to tell everyone where to go, helped them get there.

One family, held out as an example, empties their refrigerator of FOOD to put their precious literature in there. Apparently, that's the strongest/heaviest/safest box in the house. What a load of crap. After the disaster, they could get more literature later should it all be ruined.

One family, not moved or helped in any way before the storm, on their own sought refuge at a Kingdom Hall. God didn't protect that building as the sea water swept through it. One older woman was swept out and the Kingdom Hall floated several meters, but the year text strengthened the woman's son and everyone survived. While they do not say Jehovah did that, it is implied.

At the Guiuan Congregation, Jehovah did not prevent the roof from blowing off the Kingdom Hall where many were taking refuge. The brothers put the plastic chairs over their heads to protect themselves inside the hall from roof materials and they ALL survived. Another Kingdom Hall had one last standing wall where members survived by crowding against it.

More than 6200 lost their lives. 33 were JW's. (They lead you to believe that 10 more JW's are missing and probably dead.) I am pretty sure that's supposed to sound like Jehovah DID protect the Witnesses. but that just seems like a statistical norm. They show Mark Sanderson of the GB coming after the disaster, and, earlier in the video, they made sure that he took a video/photo op with a little girl that lost her whole family and home. The elders told her it was okay to cry and made sure she got right back to the meetings.

I won't belittle their humanitarian efforts after the storm. That's because caring people made sure that suffering people got help. But the video leaves out how Watchtower has to approve any outsiders visiting and how much money they get in disaster donations versus how much they spend. The district overseer credited Jehovah for the relief efforts of people. Mark Sanderson said the great faith got them through the aftermath. Makes you assume all other groups must have just perished.

Anyway, here's the video, also found at http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/video-philippines-typhoon-haiyan-survivors/:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlbNB7HaN8I

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Jesus Saves From What? March 2015 Watchtower Article

by Perry in

i just skimmed the titled article on jw.org and once again the watchtower is misdirecting:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20150301/jesus-death-and-resurrection/ .

they try and make the old case that jesus saves us from being destroyed at armageddon.

OnTheWayOut

Perry, I hope you can feel the caring concern here- Several pages of people trying to wake you up. I am confident that we are not here just to pick a fight with you, but to help you.
Your posted video on page 4 should really help in that goal. Your own beliefs show that your God doesn't care in the least what people do that is good, but that they must "believe" something dogmatically or they are bad. So your own belief system condemns at least 2/3rds of all children because they are born into non-Christian beliefs. Chinese and Indian children are "bad."

However aside from all this, vs. 18 makes it clear exactly what Jesus saves us from. And, it is not from being destroyed at Armageddon. Jesus saves us from being officially condemned at judgment after we die.

Now, here is my attempt to wake you up. NO, PERRY. Jehovah's Witnesses claim that their message is clear from the Bible and you are no different. The Bible is not "clear exactly" in anything. The form of Christianity you live is no more clear than the form of Christianity that Ethiopians live or that American Baptists or Roman Catholics live.

You are told a completely different set of values/rules/doctrines than the one you left, but ones that are just as rigid and that tug at your emotions in similar ways. You have traded "Believe or Jehovah will destroy you at Armageddon" for the new declaration: "Accept Jesus a certain way or be judged and condemned." (Pick on "condemned" all you want. I just don't know the specifics of your religion, whether people are eternally destroyed or suffer in hellfire for eternity or what, but it doesn't really matter.)

It literally is as already posted here:

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The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

by stuckinarut2 in

oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

- prayer.

- personal study.

OnTheWayOut

- prayer

Must be in harmony with Jehovah's Will. The literature and videos from jw . org will tell you what that is.

- personal study

.....which of course means primarily to be reading Watchtower literature.

-meeting attendance and participation

Participation means commenting in harmony with whatever the literature says. It does not mean questioning and it definitely does not mean commenting off the top of your head.

-field service

They don't care how productive your "service" is, how many Tim Horton's/Starbucks/McDonald's breaks you take or if you just have a good conversation standing next to a cart. But you still gotta turn in a minimum amount of time to show that you are dedicating your life to the organization.

- and something else equally forgettable.....

Maybe that was to believe any nonsense the Governing Body says or to live as if the end is "soon."

Edited to add:

They used to liken the five meetings to our five fingers.

I now only have one finger for Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Beads and Tight Jeans APPROVED Service Attire For a Brother?

by sparky1 in

many, many, many posters here have wondered what happened to the religion that they were raised in or baptized into 20 or more years ago.

i just got the shock of my life on jw(dot) org.tv!

there is a video testimonial of an american indian witness that was inactive for many years and has now begun to preach again.

OnTheWayOut

How in the world do they put such a video on the same website that Tight Pants Tony contributes to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGzvCZswsI