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  she passed faithful to the end to them!

  by jookbeard in

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  just found out (second hand of course) and by someone on here that my faithful jw mum passed away within the last couple of days, dont know the exact day, and what cause, she spent the last few years living with my fanatical sister, she was 65 and survived my father by 10 years, bitter, angry and hateful till the end and never as so much enquired or asked how her 2 grandchildren ever were , they are 5 and 7!

  feeling a mixture of emotions right now, they were lousy parents in all honesty, she suffered health wise so maybe its for the best, dont even know when the funeral is!

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  OnTheWayOut

  So sorry to read how you lost your mother to the cult and lost her recently in death and were not immediately informed.
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  SNAP calls out JW leadership over child abuse case

  by defender of truth in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/court-actions/snap-calls-out-jw-leadership-over-child-abuse-case.

  snap calls out jw leadership over child abuse case.

  posted on april 3, 2015 by susannah.

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  Costello could very well achieve his dismissal based on statues of limitation. It may seem like a fair compromise that the state has allowed this to go to so many years past eighteen, but it really isn't in my opinion. I could see reducing the reward because of decades of waiting, but it would seem better that a jury of people who are not legal experts could rule of statues of limitations. That way, they could consider why it took so long to file. Often, cult members are continually discouraged/intimidated long after reaching adulthood or they are so disturbed by what happened to them that it takes that long to get up the courage.

  A jury would be able to see that, or judge that these people just waited until there was more money to be won.

  Certainly, I could not be on that jury. I would award these kids.
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  Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

  i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

  mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

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  Bohm, your mentioned particular instances were in the flim. Thanks for more insight. Personally, I think Hubbard definitely knew it was all nonsense, but power may have gone to his head. Miscavige, I think he's like Rutherford in seizing power.

  Tapioca, what a waste of years indeed. In Scientology, people with decades of faithful service could be tossed aside because of the whims of the leader on some new agenda.

  Witness My Fury, take it in segments. I left it on the laptop and stopped it to do other things. Thanks for sharing.

  Agape.Love, I have to agree on how it qualifies for a religion. Anyone reading this without having viewed the film should know that Scientology went to war with the IRS in the United States, digging up any kind of problems they could find in private investigations to make life difficult for the people at IRS, and they ended the war by having IRS cave in to them, calling the Scientology dogs off by declaring Scientology a tax-exempt religion and wiping out a billion dollars in back taxes. John Travolta seems just like any of us who were caught by a cult while naive and now doesn't know how to make changes, so just keeps his mouth shut. They've really played with Tom Cruise's mind. I feel just as sorry for him- a highly active victim of a cult.

  OneEyedJoe, thanks for that. I am confident that my JW wife (and many other JW's) would blank out on the important similarities and just focus on the serious differences between the cults. Sorry to hear your future prediction.

  Finkelstein, that was just as I saw it also.

  Violias, thanks for the link for anyone hoping to catch it.
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  Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

  i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

  mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

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  I managed to find a copy of "Going Clear" on the internet. I won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads. Mine was no exception, but I managed to keep the computer clean. It was a link from putlocker, so they are out there now. Just be careful. If I could have found a trusted link that just charged a couple bucks, I would have paid it.

  Anyway, people really need to understand that when someone is sucked into a dangerous mind-control cult, they are not exposed to all the information that would cause an intelligent person to avoid the group. Scientology doesn't tell new members about the Zenu and the spaceships dropping creatures into volcanoes and all that nonsense. You have to be intertwined with the life and the lies before you can learn that garbage.
  
  I think it is highly possible that John Travolta is just keeping quiet because of all the things they know about him.

  I say these things because I have heard over the years, many comments about being too intelligent to become a JW and how my coworkers or family members would never have gotten suckered into the Jehovah's Witnesses (or other cults). I could similarly say I would never have been suckered into Scientology because of all their weird doctrines, but I know better. When some group offers you all the answers to all the questions and/or all the solutions to all your problems, you might apply the old saying "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." JW's did that for me. Scientology did that for many of it's members.
  
  The best usable quote from the documentary, in my opinion, was:

  "People are so indoctrinated and have been in Scientology a really long long time or they've grown up in it, they don't know anything else. It's so scary to them to have to start all over, and it takes a really strong person to stand up to them and say NO !"
  
  The same woman, Sara, who makes the above statement near the end of the show also presents the saddest moment. In her turmoil over the church, her adult daughter, with a family and a daughter of her own, says to Sara, "Mom, I love you but I have to disconnect from you." That would be the equivalent to JW shunning.

  A guy named Tom, 10 minutes from the end says, "When you're out, you look at it and go 'WHAT THE....CRAP WAS I THINKING?'" He indicates that it is easy to see the problem with it, but only from the outside.

  At the very end, they mention that membership is way down to 50 thousand people but that church assets (worldwide properties) are valued at over 3 Billion Dollars. The documentary seems to indicate that they don't really need to recruit or retain members anymore because they have what they want- money. I actually look forward to the day when Jehovah's Witnesses don't try to retain members and all they want to do is run away with the money. While I might not like that outcome, I would gladly settle for "the leaders" taking the money and running away without the people.

  Overall, I would say that I have heard virtually everything about Scientology said in this work, except for the personal stories and the information about celebrities. That is because I have a vested interest in learning about cults. But in this heavily talked about new release, the putting together of all the information AND THE CELEBRITY STUFF is many nails in the coffin of this dangerous cult. I gotta believe this will seriously hurt their membership drives and retention and their pockets.
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  The witnesses got away with covering up another molestation case

  by recovering in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.webpronews.com/jehovahs-witnesses-get-only-partial-dismissal-in-child-molesting-case-2015-04.

  i find it extremely interesting the comment of one of the posters who is studying with the witnesses.. frank j karasienski 3 days ago .

  individuals are flawed..... looking at this article it really makes it look like an organization is hiding the situation.

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  I don't know specific details for this (or any individual) circumstance, but lawyers for pedophile victims are not saying that a particular religion has failed because it hasn't done background checks on "members" before allowing them into the group. They are saying that the organization was aware of the guilt or accusations against members and withheld that information from other members, so that the organization contributed to the unsafe condition in a very problematic way.
  
  Why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses can see the problem with the Catholic Church knowing about problems with priests, but the same JW's can give their own organization a free pass in similar circumstances?
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  In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

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  I would like to say the blood issue or shunning or their non-action/non-reporting of crimes because of the two-witness rule. I would like to say one of those because they have done so much harm to so many victims.

  But the greatest harm has come from their ever-changing "generation." All JW's and those who care about JW's are held victim to a group that thinks the end is so ever imminent because of the "generation." For so many Witnesses, the end was coming when "generation" meant one thing. They string those members along now because they don't want to be faithful for so long and then lose faith right as "generation" changes but still may indicate the end is near.

  You could also skip using any official definition of "generation" or any doctrine and just say the wackiest JW thing is that they have been and still are a Doomsday Cult.
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  I've decided to officially disassociate myself

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey guys, .

  i just wanted to thank you all for all of your input, support and help over the past few months.

  i've decided to officially disassociate myself from the organization and move on with my life.

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  Congratulations are in order.

  We may all differ in what we would do, but I think most of us agree that moving forward is of utmost importance, so your decisions will definitely do that for you. You are still young, so go ahead and put this JW stuff in your rear-view mirror. Good luck.
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  Newspaper article headings for 2016 April fools day??

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from a comment i made on another thread:.

  if a newspaper could print anything they liked and disown it a day later.... what if we all got to work on a worldwide "01 apr 2016" media campaign today?.

  what watchtower related headings/stories would you like to run with?.

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  I would hate to diss the Watchtower and have to "disown it a day later." In other words, I wouldn't want to retract something awful said about them. It would seem to feed their persecution complex. So such a thing would have to be really clever and highlight something they actually are part of.

  Something like this:

  "Watchtower Bankrupt Due to So Many Lawsuits over Handling of Pedophiles Within the Ranks."

  Next day: "Oops, sorry. Watchtower still has plenty of money after paying settlements to 'so many lawsuits over handling of pedophiles within their ranks. April Fools to you ex-JW's.'"
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  How do you feel about religion as a whole?

  by FatherFirst in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it just seems to me religion in general primarily makes truly bad people worse, not genuinly good people better; and in many cases has even made good people do bad things in the name of their religion.

  just curious, a personal poll if you will.

  what are you guys' current views on religion as a whole?

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  There are bunches of people within religion who are good people and the religion helps them to focus on humanitarian things. So I don't lump it all into making bad people worse. It sometimes gathers good people together to do greater things as a group. But within their groups, it's a shame that they cannot see that they could do the greater good without the religion and their assets would go further toward the humanitarian acts were they not drained by the pomp and circumstance.

  And yes, there is always a danger, even within such groups, for the religion and/or it's leaders to make good people do bad things in the name of their religion. If they joined the Red Cross or Green Peace or some other groups, they could still do greater things as a group.
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  21 Years as an Elder, 5 as an MS, I will never be that guy again.

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was deleted as the cobe after i let my adult child move back home and he admitted that he fornicated under my roof while my wife and i where away on a rbc project.

  of course the elder mode in me kicked him out of the house.. the elders moved quickly to remove me because i was too involved in "theocractic activities", i had neglected my adult son.. i accepted this primarily because i didn't want to serve with a boe that did not want me.

  i was devastated however because it was the only life i knew.

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  Recently while out in Service, this Super Over Zealous Elder starting spouting out have bad the game Football is and that no True Christian should watch it. I said: "Can I be Disfellowshipped if I watch it? This pissed him off.
  The next meeting I was called to the back room with 2 Elders and counseled never to question an Elder in front of others.

  I might have pushed the envelope and said again, "Can I be disfellowshipped for doing that?"

  Hey, thanks for the update on you and your son. If it were me, I wouldn't pressure the wife but I would also not wait for her. I would do as you are and pursue that closeness with my son. We kick ourselves later in life when it's too late for not reaching out to family and loved ones. I doubt your son will ever get reinstated.