Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

OnTheWayOut

Simon, there was an episode of Star Trek; The Next Generation that said that all the different races of the galaxy were actually consisting of parts of the DNA of a super-chain of DNA of one race. It helped us understand why they all are "humanoids" and could mate to produce offspring.

Being a science fiction fan, Scientology could very well be along similar lines and actually make more sense. You are right. Mainstream religion is just as wacko to me. I suppose I fell for forgetting that in my comments.

In the past, it may have been nearly impossible to fail with religion once it is self-sustaining, but I don't think that will continue to be the case as the information age moves forward. Scientology may be going away within our lifetimes (or it may struggle on- no predictions from me). But the people at the top will probably get away with the money. I suppose that's a side-theme of mine. My greatest wish after the toppling of the Watchtower and locking up the leaders is to just let them run away with the money and leave the people behind to escape back to "the world."

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

OnTheWayOut

Talesin, from myself and Flipper and others it seems if we want to find it, we can. Thanks to you for suggestions to any who haven't found it yet. So it appears that "Fear of Scientology's litigiousness" almost prevented this damaging documentary from ever seeing the light of day. I am glad someone was persistent.

Flipper, I hadn't thought of it, but yeah- we could really use celebrity former JW's to come out in force. Any would-be documentary makers reading this, please take note of what it might take to get your project off the ground.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

OnTheWayOut

I didn't search through the pages. Maybe this wasn't already posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4BXMD-gn40

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

OnTheWayOut

Alright. Enough is enough.

I wrote the book of love.

I am Colonel Mustard and I killed Mr. Boddy in the Billiard Room with a revolver.

I let the dogs out.

I really am my brother's keeper.

I am Batman.

While I was not Jack the Ripper, I knew him.

I figured out how thousands of men could build the pyramids in the middle of the desert.

I faked everyone out on Loch Ness Monster and Big Foot. That was me.

I erected Stonehenge.

I am D.B. Cooper. I got away with the money.

I actually was Luke's (and Laia's) father.

.....and of course, I am God.

You just have to believe me. Otherwise, you are chickenshit. Why? Because I said so.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

OnTheWayOut

I don't even want to read past the opening post to reply. I want to give a fresh answer.

I truly wanted to believe in God because he gave meaning to my life. Many here used to believe and didn't leave because they were sinners afraid of Him. That's a bunch of malarkey.

But you convinced me to abandon atheism with a simple couple of sentences: Now I would like to invite everyone on this forum to wake up and open your eyes to see that God is true and real. For he is God the Lord. The creator and ruler of all. As the scrolls say: "But as ye God is trueth, our wordeth toward you was not yea and nay."

Of course, I don't mean it. Nice try. A call to wake me up and a scripture won't do it. Will a call to make you read some science books and a Richard Dawkins quote wake you up to atheism? NO? Too bad.

Your generalization is quite insulting and wrong. My disbelief has nothing to do with a rough childhood or a fear to admit there is something greater than me. God simply has to demonstrate clearly that He is there. He has to do this for me, not in some way that YOU say happened already.

I am sure you are afraid to admit God might not be there. You are afraid all your prayers and time spent on serving/worshipping/praying/etc. was just wasted and you might as well have been doing something else.

And are children born in Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist families just as "selfish" as atheists if they don't suddenly accept YOUR LORD as THEIR LORD?

I will tell you one thing about the God you are so sure is there. Go to a childrens hospital and find some 4 to 8 year old little girl with a terrible ailment caused by birth defects or some terrible disease. If the God you worship were there, He would prevent that ailment/disease in that innocent little girl. But He doesn't, because He cannot, because He's not there.

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

OnTheWayOut

Finklestein from page 1, we know all about people who "got overwhelmed in power, control and financial greed." Thanks again.

talesin, thanks for trying but your link doesn't work in the USA. Glad ya saw it.

fedup, I wholeheartedly agree. I tend to think that JW stuff is really really whacky. But the stuff that a JW doesn't know about the inner workings are whacko also- the two/thirds majority to decide what God thinks about something, retroactive rules on disfellowshipping to nail Ray Franz. How about when they taught that Jehovah lived in some particular region of the known universe? .....or virtually anything from their REVELATION GRAND CLIMAX book about events in the 20th century fulfilling some strange prophecy from Revelation that was concerning Jehovah's Witnesses?

talesin, I suppose they didn't touch Isaac Hayes because he is dead and there's just a bunch of hearsay.

daringhart13, those parallels are definite.

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Article: Five JWs Deported from Bali for Conducting Door-to-Door Religious Ministry

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?id=11719.

dismantling the watchtower .

five jehovah witnesses deported from bali for conducting door-to-door religious ministry .

OnTheWayOut

It's already been said how JW's should wonder where the Holy Spirit and/or angels were for this.

It's already been said that they are lucky deportation was all they got. They were violating a law and I bet they knew it. I think there are different visas for tourists and for preachers. Bali probably doesn't issue the preacher visa.

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she passed faithful to the end to them!

by jookbeard in

just found out (second hand of course) and by someone on here that my faithful jw mum passed away within the last couple of days, dont know the exact day, and what cause, she spent the last few years living with my fanatical sister, she was 65 and survived my father by 10 years, bitter, angry and hateful till the end and never as so much enquired or asked how her 2 grandchildren ever were , they are 5 and 7!

feeling a mixture of emotions right now, they were lousy parents in all honesty, she suffered health wise so maybe its for the best, dont even know when the funeral is!

OnTheWayOut

So sorry to read how you lost your mother to the cult and lost her recently in death and were not immediately informed.

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SNAP calls out JW leadership over child abuse case

by defender of truth in

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/court-actions/snap-calls-out-jw-leadership-over-child-abuse-case.

snap calls out jw leadership over child abuse case.

posted on april 3, 2015 by susannah.

OnTheWayOut

Costello could very well achieve his dismissal based on statues of limitation. It may seem like a fair compromise that the state has allowed this to go to so many years past eighteen, but it really isn't in my opinion. I could see reducing the reward because of decades of waiting, but it would seem better that a jury of people who are not legal experts could rule of statues of limitations. That way, they could consider why it took so long to file. Often, cult members are continually discouraged/intimidated long after reaching adulthood or they are so disturbed by what happened to them that it takes that long to get up the courage.

A jury would be able to see that, or judge that these people just waited until there was more money to be won.

Certainly, I could not be on that jury. I would award these kids.

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

OnTheWayOut

Bohm, your mentioned particular instances were in the flim. Thanks for more insight. Personally, I think Hubbard definitely knew it was all nonsense, but power may have gone to his head. Miscavige, I think he's like Rutherford in seizing power.

Tapioca, what a waste of years indeed. In Scientology, people with decades of faithful service could be tossed aside because of the whims of the leader on some new agenda.

Witness My Fury, take it in segments. I left it on the laptop and stopped it to do other things. Thanks for sharing.

Agape.Love, I have to agree on how it qualifies for a religion. Anyone reading this without having viewed the film should know that Scientology went to war with the IRS in the United States, digging up any kind of problems they could find in private investigations to make life difficult for the people at IRS, and they ended the war by having IRS cave in to them, calling the Scientology dogs off by declaring Scientology a tax-exempt religion and wiping out a billion dollars in back taxes. John Travolta seems just like any of us who were caught by a cult while naive and now doesn't know how to make changes, so just keeps his mouth shut. They've really played with Tom Cruise's mind. I feel just as sorry for him- a highly active victim of a cult.

OneEyedJoe, thanks for that. I am confident that my JW wife (and many other JW's) would blank out on the important similarities and just focus on the serious differences between the cults. Sorry to hear your future prediction.

Finkelstein, that was just as I saw it also.

Violias, thanks for the link for anyone hoping to catch it.