OnTheWayOut

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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  Blondie, my respect for you and what you have accomplished in the ex-JW community knows no bounds. You have definitely been put through the ringer and your brave attempts to do something about it are amazing to me.

  I was never directly aware of child sexual abuse in any congregation I was in. When I first entered the ex-JW community, that was not my issue at all. I assumed that it was a problem like it might be in any religious group, but have since learned better. The issue is far larger by percentage than it is with the Catholic Church. We all know that the biggest problem is that Watchtower swept these things under the rug time and time again in order to save the reputation of the congregations and the corporation under the claim of not bringing reproach upon God's name.
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  Does the RC have the names of the 1006 abused victims?

  by Dumplin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i've updated my jw wife on the highlights of the rc proceedings each day as they occur.

  but tonight she said something that made my blood boil (which i am usually in complete control of).

  she said something to the effect that victims need to not dwell on what happened and let it control their lives.

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  I am confident that it is as Listener says: Victims can voluntarily contact the commission and a lot of support will be provided to them.

  Regardless of whether the RC connects them with support from elsewhere or actually does something about providing that help, they are doing a huge service and should stay focused on that- allowing these victims to be heard in a way that people stop and pay attention and believe them. That's way more than Watchtower did.

  And your blood should boil at this. While, of course the primary thing is that the victims get help and move on, your JW wife is shifting the subject from our point of view. Our point of view is highlighting that God's organization is not all that members might think it is. She's taking her cognitive dissonance and shifting to thinking about innocent people being abused by wolves in sheep's clothing and what kind of help they need so that she can leave the organizational part out. The RC is not just there for revealing a thousand monsters that claim to be JW's. The RC is pointing out what part the Watchtower had in making things worse for these victims.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  often the Atheist will then Move on one of two Supporting Arguments 1. "Evil exists, therefore God Does not Exist" or 2. "The Bible is Flawed, therefore God Does not exist".

  Start with Number 2. ....therefore, the Bible is not the word of a god or else that god is flawed.

  Back to Number 1. Incredible evil and injustice exist, therefore the wonderful god that people have created does not exist.

  All we can do is say that there is no evidence of God. It is not totally unrelated to agnosticism. They say "I don't know" and an atheist says "I see no evidence." Often, it is the (totally conficting) anecdotes that make agnostics unsure. That's as far as atheism can go- NO EVIDENCE.

  Science recognizes that it is totally impossible to prove the non-existence of Big Foot, ancient alien astronauts, and Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  By your "unscientific" claim, I can freely start a religion based on Big Foot being the descendants of alien astronauts that built the pyramids in order to sacrifice to Flying Spaghetti Monster. You must not say I am wrong because you cannot "prove" such a thing.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  Punk, I share your hope, and agree pn knowledge and interest..
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  Cecil the Lion deserved what he got...That's right. I said it.

  by cappytan in

  1. social
  2. humour

  lions are notorious murderers of beautiful zebras, antelope and other graceful exotic animals.

  cecil probably contributed to the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of animals.

  what happened to him was justice.. you reap what you sow.

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  If the wanted to stalk the lion the way the lion stalks a zebra, claw at the lion with his fingernails and teeth, and kill the lion barehanded that way, and do it in order to feed his little dentist cubs and himself, then okay.
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  A few facts to ponder

  by Nitty-Gritty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been in correspondence recently with silentambs and a few interesting things have been highlighted.

  some of you may know, that bill bowen has twice tried to get the fbi involved in investigating child molestation issues in the jws org.

  this is what he said to me, i quote: we have reported to the fbi on two occasions and were rebuffed due to them not wishing to get involved with a religion.

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  The FBI would only take on cases that cross jurisdictional lines. The vast majority of pedophile cases within the United States are within a community, at least within one state. I don't think too many JW pedos want to take their victim across state lines to escape one local jurisdiction.

  Watchtower may have it's hands tied on publishing names of pedophiles, but they can stop protecting them by killing one-witness accusations and they can put the children's welfare first and foremost.

  In Australia, we want first and foremost for the victims to get their needed help. But what disgusting things happened have already happened. We might be a bit glad that it is being revealed and that will probably decrease the number of future victims there.
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  Is It Time to regroup?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much do you want to bet that the organization has already started preparing articles for the watchtower magazines, convention talks, circuit overseers talks and letters to bodies of elders, to refute what is happening in australia?

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  right now the most important thing for the wt to do is protect their image that they are gods visible organization.especially in the u.s. and latin american countries.

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  Maybe they will call Bill Cosby and ask what to do.

  Maybe they will talk about a handful of people claiming to be JW at the time they committed terrible offenses.

  Whatever they do, I think they might find the "world" turning away from them as it did to Bill.
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  Cecil the Lion deserved what he got...That's right. I said it.

  by cappytan in

  1. social
  2. humour

  lions are notorious murderers of beautiful zebras, antelope and other graceful exotic animals.

  cecil probably contributed to the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of animals.

  what happened to him was justice.. you reap what you sow.

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  Lions kill zebras and antelopes. It's the circle of life, the law of the jungle, etc.

  If the villagers killed the lion to save their livestock, that's one thing.

  If dentists from Minnesota needed to kill lions and eat the meat or else wither and die, that's another thing.

  But he neither needed to kill the lion nor even ate the meat. He killed an endangered animal for sport. I would give the same answer for animals that are not endangered. In the United States, hunt down a Labrador Retriever and shoot it for sport and see what kind of hate mail you get.
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  Article: Reveal News Organization: JWs Cover-Up of Child Sex Abuse and Oust a Victim

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-cover-up-child-sex-abuse-and-oust-a-victim/.

  jehovahs witnesses cover up child sex abuse and oust a victim.

  topics: criminal justice / religion .

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  Thanks for posting the story, Barbara. Disgusting is the word. But I am starting to expect such stories now. That's sad too.
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  Will Child Abuse Issue Keep Growing Like A Forest Fire?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i don't know if a commercial will come up and i can't find this on youtube as it is probably copyright material or i am just not in a good search pattern today.

  anyway, try to view this if you haven't seen it:.

  https://rutube.ru/video/0ba7a3ee7e89dbbc730c4af32032e33b/?ref=logo .

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  Pistoff, it really is that simple. I would add that minors should not be recruiters (publishers) and if parents want to drag them out in recruiting, they stay with their family. And they should be careful there also.

  Axelspeed, there will always be some who want the title, but I would resign were I to see that stuff.

  Good idea, Vidiot. (Liking it)