jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
steve2, it's the same story. Hold the carrot (or ice cream cone) in front of the little girl- "You can have it in Paradise while petting a lion."
Beth Sarim, that is a good point. But your point depends on parents that don't blindly accept whatever crap WTS puts out. Still, I imagine some start to wonder.
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
cognac, I am trying to fan the flames, stoke the fire, crank up THE BIGGEST BADDEST BESTEST DEBATE EVERY IN THE HISTORY OF THIS FORUM.
Nevermind, let's just get along.
every flea market i go to a group of idiots sits under a tent top with a few mags on display with a cup of coffee playing on a phone with as much interest in pushing the cult as a teenage girl at the check out line has in bagging your groceries.
when i was in the cult we had to work for our time.
now its like sitting at the coffee shop bsing with the other cult idiots counting time for your pioneer status.
i was just talking to my mom a few weeks ago.
she said, out of all her kids, i was the only one she didn't have to worry about as far as spirituality.
i always took a stand for jehovah.. she told when all of her kids were little, she gave us the option of not eating birthday cakes in school.
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
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Simon, I agree. I will tie your thought in with Mad Irishman's thought.
The average member can give what he wants and nobody will say anything personally to him. It's a beautiful thing, but at the same time that member is bombarded by all those things telling him that the congregation isn't donating enough, the attendees at the assembly are not donating enough, the need is great and the members are not showing their love and faith in Jehovah, but are taking too many vacations or wanting nice things in their home when they don't need them as badly as the Governing Body needs a heated pool in that cold NY state climate.
Plus Mad Irishman, YES- as a member of the body of elders, I felt "coerced." We had shortfalls and they asked each elder to give a set portion of that if they could (and you better back up your "I can't do it.") As a member, after dropping twenty bucks in the box at the assembly, then hearing how they are still several thousand dollars short, I felt coerced to drop in more. Maybe nobody would know, but members are trained to know that Jehovah knows you can skip a decent restaurant tonight and settle for less while out of town for the assembly.
Phizzy, He's just no good with money. Somehow, He just can't handle money.
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
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ToesUp, it's sad that many of them wouldn't recognize your comment as sarcasm.
JW GoneBad, it is stuff like that sheet that shows they are using (in their own words from the opening quote) "the various begging devices in the name of our Lord" and that to such a Lord, it would be "offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing..."
cognac,
they told congregations to set a monthly amount and suggested ways that it
should not be small. They have just asked for something like 2 thousand dollars
from an average sized congregation for the C.O. expenses. They have had videos
about contributions. The May 2015 episode of JW Broadcasting had
Stephen Lett revealing a shortfall between projected income
and expenditures for the forthcoming fiscal period. As
part of the 2015 program of conventions for Jehovah’s Witnesses, a video was released that portrays a young
girl holding a coin in her hands while in a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses,
imagining buying an ice cream cone after their meeting. She then sees her
mother putting money in a contribution box at the Kingdom Hall, and rethinks
her plans for her coin. She envisions new Kingdom Halls being built along with
JW literature being produced, and then happily puts her own money in the
contribution box as well.
I see these things as "all the
members have been hearing is how they have to cough up more."
Stealth, it goes back to George Carlin: Jehovah "loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!”
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
OnTheWayOut's original post:
Can anyone really "WIN" a debate on the internet?
It's typically a bunch of one-sided digs and "Who got in the best zinger?"
But if they can win, an atheist won the best argument on this forum.
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The Rebel's post:
" OntheWayOut":-" can anyone WIN a debate on the Internet?
its typically a bunch of one sided digs and " who's got the best zinger?"
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You didn't copy and paste my comment. It's changed slightly. I am not sure if you are trying to improve or correct my original post, whether you agree or disagree. It feels like you are on the verge of starting the best debate every on this board.
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
Can anyone really "WIN" a debate on the internet?
It's typically a bunch of one-sided digs and "Who got in the best zinger?"
But if they can win, an atheist won the best argument on this forum.
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
Heaven, yes- along with a GB member telling everyone they are spending more than they make. (But not in those kind of terms, more like "expenses exceed donations.")
stuckinarut2, sure. Like giving financial reports at assemblies where they have set the "cost" of the assembly so high and report a deficit NO MATTER WHAT.
sparrowdown, I may run with such a statement anytime money comes up. Good thought.
JW GoneBad, thanks for the compliment.
jehovahs people do not beg for money.
[...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .
it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.
Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. […] “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.” – From: God’s Kingdom Rules, Page 196
This alone is enough to open the eyes of many members to see that Watchtower is not the one true religion. The only thing they still seem to hold to is that they don't pass an actual collection plate passed around to embarass members during the meeting. But the body of elders have the C.O. to do that to them and attempt to shame them to increase donations.
Ever since they took all the money from all the congregations, all the members have been hearing is how they have to cough up more.
Now the members have a whole bunch more to chew on. Cutting back on printing again, cutting back on Bethel workers again, money problems with construction.
Members are not going to all be fooled by this. Further, if they donate the monthly expenses at the Kingdom Hall, they won't put money in the Worldwide Work fund and they won't have more money to donate at the Assembly Hall.
But I want to just focus on the simple idea that they do indeed solicit funds now, contrary to what they have always said. They beg and coerce. They have regular articles on how the members can outright donate, put Watchtower in their will, send jewelry, name them as life insurance beneficiaries, etc. etc. etc. They have addressed this issue on jw. org and even have a cartoon about children giving up their ice cream money.
Notice how they still lean on the same claims: http://wol.jw.org/de/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102012165
Who are they fooling?
