Posts by OnTheWayOut

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AGREE? or DISAGREE? Popular Music

by Terry in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip0wuwjbdmi.

"from 1955 till present, popular music has declined to the point where it is now consistently "stupid" and homogenous.

".

OnTheWayOut

Beethoven and Mozart were considered radical in their day.

There's always been a generation gap in music from the time that people figured out how to make music evolve. So it's natural for older people to hate the music of younger people.

I tend to agree that the popular music of the 1960's was great and the harder rock of the 70's and 80's really emphasized the music more than the words, and the stuff afterward was catering to the demands of the masses.

But don't just hate or assume today's music is trash. There's more music for dance nowadays. There's still plenty of artists who can tell a story in comparison to the greats of the 60's. Tastes among groups causes such division, but rap has it's place as much as punk has it's place.

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AGREE? or DISAGREE? Popular Music

by Terry in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip0wuwjbdmi.

"from 1955 till present, popular music has declined to the point where it is now consistently "stupid" and homogenous.

".

OnTheWayOut

Pop music has always always always been a mix of dumb and good lyrics. There is more variety today, so there will be more dumb lyrics. But there are also good lyrics. Even some things that you or I would hate sometimes have great lyrics, sometimes it's just meant for others to "get it" and not for you.

I mean, are the lyrics to ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK something special?
How about ITSY BITSY YELLOW POLKA DOT BIKINI
or FLYING PURPLE PEOPLE EATER

Oh, I could go on and on about the stupid lyrics of songs at the beginning of your timeframe. I even like many of the things with stupid lyrics. Sometimes stupid works and the thing is awesome. Sometimes, we don't know WTF happened and why everyone is flocking to it. Other times, it just flops
I will just end with the terrible words that seem to make my point- 1957's AT THE HOP by Danny and the Juniors:

Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah
Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah, at the hop!

Well, you can rock it you can roll it
You can slop and you can stroll it at the hop
When the record starts spinnin'
You chalypso* when you chicken at the hop
Do the dance sensation that is sweepin' the nation at the hop

Ah, let's go to the hop
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop
Come on, let's go to the hop

Well, you can swing it you can groove it
You can really start to move it at the hop
Where the jockey is the smoothest
And the music is the coolest at the hop
All the cats and chicks can get their kicks at the hop
Let's go!

Ah, let's go to the hop
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop
Come on, let's go to the hop
Let's go!

[Instrumental Interlude]

Well, you can rock it you can roll it
You can slop and you can stroll it at the hop
When the record starts spinnin'
You chalypso* when you chicken at the hop
Do the dance sensation that is sweepin' the nation at the hop

Well, you can swing it you can groove it
You can really start to move it at the hop
Where the jockey is the smoothest
And the music is the coolest at the hop
All the cats and chicks can get their kicks at the hop
Let's go!

Ah, let's go to the hop
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop (oh baby)
Let's go to the hop
Come on, let's go to the hop
Let's go!

Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah
Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah, at the hop!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

OnTheWayOut

I am not going to try to pick through things like DNA and experts vs. laymen understandings and all that stuff.

I will just say that anyone who chooses to say that the deal breaker is somewhere along the lines of refusing to believe something complicated came into existence from something less complicated, yet that same someone will accept that a "creator" did the exact same thing or was just always there, well that person needs to start over in their thinking.

Not in our lifetime, but somewhere in the distant future, man will see other life in the universe in various points along it's own evolution. They will see that the seemingly ridiculous odds of life succeeding are overcome in the laboratory of many planets. And it might even happen in a smaller laboratory on earth among scientists.

But even then, it will make some closed-minded people insist that life can come from lifelessness because of something God put there.

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Just wondering who on this board has a spouse that is fully in and your awake?

by goingthruthemotions in

i am just curious who on this board is in the same situation has i am?

a spouse that is fully brain doogled in and you are awake to ttatt.. without going into serious detail and no names are given.

i would like to possible talk with one of you all, it's just so helpful to communicate with someone in the same situation as me.. i am located in the southwest united states..

OnTheWayOut

I am very much in your situation.

I have stopped going to meetings nearly 10 years ago, having a very successful fade with no judicial reproof and no more phone calls or texts or emails from the elders.

But my wife is a fully active congregation member. I am sure she is viewed as "weak" because she will miss a meeting here and there, but she "is fully brain doogled" and will defend them illogically and automatically if any news about child abuse or issues concerning them come up.

She doesn't care to understand silly things like "overlapping generation" and believes that young people should go to college, and won't say that "they" don't want people going, but leans upon her old understandings of "education with a purpose." My wife is intelligent, but turns her brain off when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses. All she knows is that they don't celebrate pagan holidays, they are the cleanest and most honest people on earth, they are the only ones who proclaim God's name, and Satan blinds people to the real truth by using their desire to sin or be lazy about serving God.

Since she won't research or think deeply on any doctrine, I cannot penetrate her defenses.

If you are in the SW United States, consider meeting others at Flipper's apostafest in July.

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Overlapping gen teaching- Help?

by raven in

hi friends,.

can someone please help explain to me the overlapping generations teaching?

i have not been able to grasp this one or what it even applies to?

OnTheWayOut

The point is that Watchtower gives a second fulfillment of the scriptures to arrive at the time when "this system of things ends" and since they are a doomsday cult, they only retain members if they set a doomsday.

All other doomsday dates have come and gone, and they need a new one without admitting they were wrong about the previous ones.

"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." So they change what "this generation" means. They may, in the future, change what "not pass away" means or even redefine whether those things "happened."

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Fade question: New Cong or stay.

by Darkknight757 in

i have a question with regard to fading.

the wife and i have plans to move to another hall and continue our fade from the organization.

we are already missing quite a few meetings and we are not reporting time.

OnTheWayOut

I fully agree with The Big Machine's comments. Plus, if you wind up doing the move thing, get a temporary cell phone number for the new elders and let them go to voicemail. Give them a slightly wrong address.

I would immediately cease attending so they don't even remember me. I would monitor the cell number for two or three months (maybe more) and if they never find me, I would just put them in my mirror and never go back.

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Fade question: New Cong or stay.

by Darkknight757 in

i have a question with regard to fading.

the wife and i have plans to move to another hall and continue our fade from the organization.

we are already missing quite a few meetings and we are not reporting time.

OnTheWayOut

Just a suggestion, but YES. You are being hounded, so see how bad it gets when you fade completely. Typically, you can ignore their calls and texts and they will give up after several weeks, sometimes sooner. Sometimes, never.

If they don't give up, then say you moved. If you move, you could visit a few halls to see if you can get a feel for who has the lazy elders, but I don't see that as an easy task. If you do visit a new congregation, don't tell them you moved, just say you are visiting because you are contemplating a move.

Remember that you cannot be DF'ed for being inactive. You are free to blow off talking to them.

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Overlapping gen teaching- Help?

by raven in

hi friends,.

can someone please help explain to me the overlapping generations teaching?

i have not been able to grasp this one or what it even applies to?

OnTheWayOut

Some of the best stuff can be found at jwfacts

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/generation.php

Don't worry if you don't understand it better after reading. Nobody really understands how this nonsense explanation can actually be applied without making the Watchtower doctrine a laughing stock.

This video explains that actually, the Governing Body just wants the members to cease thinking about how doctrines are arrived at. They do not allow members to question, and this doctrine tests that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U30VcdGyyw

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Fade question: New Cong or stay.

by Darkknight757 in

i have a question with regard to fading.

the wife and i have plans to move to another hall and continue our fade from the organization.

we are already missing quite a few meetings and we are not reporting time.

OnTheWayOut

Slow down there. You just asked the question and half-an-hour later, you think you have heard enough.
Changing congregations may be the answer, but it may not.

Toes up: I think it depends on the hall you decide to move in. Some halls have lazy elders who could care less that you left, so they won't bother you. Some halls have Nazi Elders.
We had lazy Elders, so for the most part they left us alone.

There's your answer. If you are not being hounded at your current congregation, you may be able to move and just fade out quickly there. You don't know what a new set of elders will do.

If you fade out and are then hounded too much, you can then say "Oh, we moved. We want our records forwarded." Then see if it works better at the new hall.

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Kingdom Hall Attenders: Consider Stopping the Use of Loaded Language

by OnTheWayOut in

it's been a long time since i attended, but i understand that many of you still go to the kingdom hall for your various reasons.. a huge thing that helped me in my mentally breaking from their beliefs was to stop using their terms that put you, virtually automatically, into their thought mode.. using terms like "the truth," jw's feel special about themselves and this helps them separate themselves from "the world.

" by incorporating loaded language, jw's learn not to think, but merely to memorize words and phrases instead of analyzing a situation.. the reasons someone misses meetings is because they are "spiritually weak.

" they might be involved in "worldly thinking.".

OnTheWayOut

Finish Page 1 replies:

Pete Z, yeah. Thanks. Maybe use those AWAY from other active JW's. But I like 'em.

Village Idiot, whatever works for each person. Some want to sound distant from the concept.

Page 2 replies:

baker, yup. He knows who "He" is if "He" is listening. In reality, we know the "name" is corrupted, anyway.

Wild_Thing, thanks. It doesn't have to be one of the last things for others.

Esse, thanks for imagining the outcome.