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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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Blondie, I will leave the fact checking for you and others. Thanks for asking. I am pretty sure the answer is NO. I am really talking about introducing something new NOW and changing the GT stuff NOW, like they have done with so many other long-time doctrines.

JRK, you offer the perfect solution. "Just as the generation overlapped AGAIN, so the Great Tribulation overlapped AGAIN. Really folks, it will not continue to overlap. Be ready to do whatever we say, no time to explain."

Prometheus, we never know. So true.

Finkelstein, their recruiting and retention methods aren't really working out so well. I am proposing that they don't even think that matters anymore as long as they get donations from the remnant of their flock that they can "scare sh*tless."

GrreatTeacher, that's the announcement we are dreading, and at the same time cheering if it means an end to Watchtower soon.

berrygerry, Yeah, it's been close to one-tenth of one percent for quite a long time.
They are dragging out that "wait to have children" stuff again? They are suggesting spending less time with family? What a crock of sh&t.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Had to take an emergency run. Continuing Page 5 replies:

LV101, your thoughts on my thoughts seem in harmony. I just speculate. I keep hoping they crash and burn faster than I anticipate.

Finkelstein, I hope you are wrong when you say "the WTS has never been richer, exponentially too ! " I really hope not. If they are cash-heavy, I still say they are planning for something of a major change that might include an escape plan. I don't really believe they are cash-heavy. I think they blew it all somehow and are just trying to recover.

kairos, I feel the same way. Maybe it's Smurfs. Maybe it's birthday cupcakes in the schools. Maybe it's time to introduce the King of the EAST, kind of a "Wizard of OZ" thing. Don't forget the good king of the WEST.

LV101, keep hope alive.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

I am on a roll catching up.

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Quirky1, "...almost done" can still mean decades. Or it could be right now when they need to sell the remaining Kingdom Halls. It remains to be seen.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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baker, I don't know if you are serious or sarcastic (or seriously sarcastic). That would be similar to becoming a televangelist religion. They just gotta figure how to get watchers to send in their money.

Finkelstein, I have never thought the latest bunch were all that bright in the GB. I don't think it was their brains but their knee pads that got them to the top. One serious blow to the finances of Watchtower and these 7 men might just come up with something even crazier than overlapping generations. They assume the sheeples are not even bothering to try to understand their doctrines and aren't worried about a lack of scriptures to back them up.
Dropping suggestions might very well be all we see from them.

LoveUniHateExams, thanks for the compliment. They would rather do what you said.....and rant on about tight pants to a captive audience.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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Ozgirl, thanks for your vote.

Outlaw, that would be great. But I think a great tribulation would be over if Watchtower was destroyed.

Fisherman, a judgment message would allow JW's to remember that "We and our GB were right." That's all being a JW is about. Otherwise, it serves no purpose. Even Watchtower's version of Noah didn't have time to go and declare judgment.

RubaDub, we will take your joke under advisement. Zika or some next new outbreak.

Listener, that's kind of deep, digging out such a quote. Thanks. So it's well established that they have been saying they will declare to the end. They are "witnesses" for Jehovah.

cha ching, two great thoughts- [ I thought, "O.... M.... G...." what are they going to have people do next? ]
It seems to be the case that they will at least want them to sit quietly while their congregation funds and their Kingdom Halls are taken away. More will come.
[ "Just as in the last days of Jerusalem, the Jewish religion was not destroyed, so in our day it will be....... religions are NOT destroyed, but......" ] That's a NULITE spin they may have been holding for an emergency.

Fisherman, yes yes yes. It flies in the face of what they used to teach. So does overlapping generation and young anointed ones and redefining so many things as the calendar forces them to move on. Thanks.

Mickey Mouse, that's some compromise you offer. I would even offer an exception. Jehovah would only allow people to cling to the open deck of the ark without the waves sweeping them off into the sea if they totally kiss the asses of the GB and show what great sacrifices they are willing to make for just that privilege. Between you and I, we could replace Freddy Franz as an oracle.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

Still catching up. I haven't read ahead.
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sparrowdown, you are in line with what I am thinking. Troubles are piling up and it's time to strategically plan an exit, take the money and run.

Gefangene, making a call out for handing over assets might as well be a call that the Great Trib. has started. Most won't go along with it without increasing the pressure on the timeline.

Virgochik, thanks for that thought. I agree. But they have cried religious persecution before without declaring the Great Trib. so they might stop short or just imply it.

Finkelstein, that was what I thought for quite awhile, but it sure seems like they don't have a bunch of money in reserve to weather this storm. Oh, hundreds of millions should be there, but somehow, I feel it isn't. It's like they are drying up and ONLY the money from property sales is covering their asses.

Fisherman, yes. Prophecy declared by them is in the way. The Bible is in the way. That hasn't stopped them from changing it anyway.

Listener, thanks for reminding us what they are currently saying in their videos. Remember they are slick and can set up a video or study article to make members speculate as to the meaning, then see how people react before going further down that path.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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Finkelstein, business as usual, but more ramped up, eh? I don't think ramped up ever lasts very long without increasing anticipation. We shall see.

Designer Stubble, that is kind of what I am thinking. A timetable to save money from printing by not printing. They could switch to their message of judgment with a "tribulation starting" announcement.

Listener, great thoughts. I would say they might find any data to say it is the "start" of thr UN turning on false religion. They can find some anti-Sharia Law data and some acceptance of science over faith stats to show it has "started."

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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Outlaw, thank you for the comedy relief.

kairos, the videos can be a primer for such a declaration, or they could simply be a way to imply it's time for the tribulation, as they have done for 100 years.

BlackSwan of Memphis, that's my thoughts. I know we were told it would be fairly quick, but we were also told the end would come in [FILL IN THE YEARS]. They change things.

redpilltwice, I don't think it would be an easy decision. They know it would be harder to do than 1975. I really expect that it would be done out of desparation because of a terrible money situation. Maybe soon, after they sell the rest of Brooklyn.

Gefangene, nice thoughts. It's not a sane woman who does that. It probably won't be a sane, sound GB that makes such declarations. It would be a GB in desparation.

purrpurr, that's the double-edged sword they live with- do nothing because they don't want to be wrong again. Or do something to save the organization from bleeding out all the money and members. In politics, it's being called "kicking the can down the road." A politician can do something that will have terrible future repercussions to get past the problem now, past his time in office.

Outlaw, thanks again.

joe134cd, brave and stupid are both valid words.

Finkelstein, if I read you right, you say they will just continue with business as usual.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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bohm, I have also thought that maybe the GB was afraid to "do" anything except what they think they must do. Most were handpicked as yes men for Ted Jaracz and tend to just go along. And I got the same thought that they might panic when numbers and money dip too far.

redpilltwice, in my thoughts, the current GB buy enough time to prepare for disappearing to their tropical escape island.

OneEyedJoe, exactly. It'll be a long Great Tribulation. It would be the problem for a next generation of JW's to recover from this declaration.

eyeuse2badub, I share your hope. I just don't see it in my lifetime, but I hope I am wrong.

redpilltwice, thanks for more thoughts on the matter.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

OnTheWayOut

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JWDaughter, thanks.

Xanthippe, great thoughts on them passing blame for their problems. I agree they don't need more recruits. They don't even need all the ones they have. Many were productive "publishers" but that doesn't really produce income for them. They just need money, not people. Declaring the GT would increase the success of a call to shun inactive family members.

Flipper, interesting thoughts. They may be saving the declaration of GT for governments really putting the heat on them. And then they could still say "It is the START...." No further commitment. I just wonder if they can go on financially until such a time.