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  My Son's wish granted from Make A Wish

  by azor in

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  we leave friday for his disney cruise wish.

  he's also a big star wars fan, and they have a star wars day on one of the seafaring days.

  to say we are all looking forward to this is an understatement.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Awesome for your son. I hope he has a great adventure.
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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

  by minimus in

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  I could also say I stopped smoking to become a member of the dangerous mind control cult that kept me from proper counseling for 20 years over a suicide attempt, drained me of my money, held me back years from proper career goals, got my thinking all messed up in logic fallacies, convinced me that as long as I spouted Watchtower teachings with enthusiasm and went out some hours every month in the recruiting work- that I should be an expert on counseling others despite the mess I was.

  My point is that I am not a fan of giving credit to them for anything good. The price was too high.
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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

  by minimus in

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  I have learned how to be skeptical of everyone/everything, how to research instead of accepting what I hear/read.
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  Self Brainwashing

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. beliefs

  so i would love to hear and make more comments here on how "self-brainwashing" is done in jehovah's witnesses and how it becomes a problem when trying to wake up our loved ones.leah remini was on bill maher's show on friday, feb. 17th.

  she had some great comments about things said on her series about scientology.

  one was how members are "self-brainwashing" because they spend some hours every day doing self-study.

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  Flipper, I would have to watch again, but I recall that Leah said something along the lines of "If you don't get the language exactly right, members automatically say you don't know what you are talking about."
  And I know that even "WE" don't always get the loaded language exactly right. We leave the celestial chariot and still use old terms like "presiding overseer" or we get behind on some minor teaching points, so we are seen as just bitter ex-members who didn't study.

  Jeff, yes- "...to think I did it to myself...." That's what we are talking about. But we also want to realize that is the norm among cult members and our loved ones still in. We need to not be so hard on ourselves about this.
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  Self Brainwashing

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i would love to hear and make more comments here on how "self-brainwashing" is done in jehovah's witnesses and how it becomes a problem when trying to wake up our loved ones.leah remini was on bill maher's show on friday, feb. 17th.

  she had some great comments about things said on her series about scientology.

  one was how members are "self-brainwashing" because they spend some hours every day doing self-study.

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  NVR2L8, exactly. You started the process for the 5 year old- just repeat the answer they want to hear. And saying their desired answer in your own words is definitely a way to self-brainwash.
  
  Under the radar, I would love for Venus and Serena Williams, Larry Graham, and maybe Damon Wayans to have a series on A&E on the JW's. Maybe Damon will consider it to boost his career.
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  Self Brainwashing

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i would love to hear and make more comments here on how "self-brainwashing" is done in jehovah's witnesses and how it becomes a problem when trying to wake up our loved ones.leah remini was on bill maher's show on friday, feb. 17th.

  she had some great comments about things said on her series about scientology.

  one was how members are "self-brainwashing" because they spend some hours every day doing self-study.

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  My wife has reached a point in her "personal study" where she covers material on the fly. While I am driving and listening to Pink Floyd, she breaks out her Watchtower. At home, watching comedy on television, she breaks out the laptop and covers their crap.

  But she is still doing the self-brainwashing known as repetition and coercive persuasion. She doesn't care to do her studying, but has been convinced that it must be done.
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  It just seems that there isn't enough in it to pin it to them

  by joe134cd in

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  2. child-abuse

  i was just thinking this morning about the court cases wt is facing and although i do think there are enough of them is there just enough in them to pin it to wt.

  i sort of get the feeling a lot of these cases are revolving around the definition of terms and also an attitude of could-a, should-a, would-a.

  even with the latest example it raised more questions than solutions and i'm guessing that's why it was settled out of court.

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  Waton, while much of what you say can be part of a discussion of the male sex drive, the main discussion here is not how WT is "caught in the squeeze" like it's gunna happen and there's nothing they can do about it. There's stuff they can do about it.
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  Self Brainwashing

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
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  so i would love to hear and make more comments here on how "self-brainwashing" is done in jehovah's witnesses and how it becomes a problem when trying to wake up our loved ones.leah remini was on bill maher's show on friday, feb. 17th.

  she had some great comments about things said on her series about scientology.

  one was how members are "self-brainwashing" because they spend some hours every day doing self-study.

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  waton, all good points. Continuous self "contamination."

  Introvert 2, I used to listen to WT and Awake on cassettes when cleaning car dealerships at night- over and over again. I hated it and stopped after a month. Similarly as a convert, I had reasons to need it to be true and didn't question it for a long time.
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  It just seems that there isn't enough in it to pin it to them

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was just thinking this morning about the court cases wt is facing and although i do think there are enough of them is there just enough in them to pin it to wt.

  i sort of get the feeling a lot of these cases are revolving around the definition of terms and also an attitude of could-a, should-a, would-a.

  even with the latest example it raised more questions than solutions and i'm guessing that's why it was settled out of court.

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  OnTheWayOut

  Plus, typically their settlements include a "gag order" to minimize notoriety and publicity. So, the "victim" gets a cash settlement and WTS gets to keep down the publicity.

  Gag orders also mean that new court cases wind up starting from scratch. No previous precedents pave the way for a new case to be successful quicker than the settled cases.
  
  
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  I need some advice please

  by JaMu in

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  i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

  most of the relationship has been long distance.

  when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I try, I really try- to see all sides of a thing. You have invested all those years, you love him. He finally told his parents about you.

  So, if what you have read from sincere people doesn't get you to break up with your JW boyfriend, perhaps you can proceed with a new viewpoint. Maybe the information here will open your eyes.

  JW men are the head of their household. He thinks he will be the boss, no room for compromises on that. Even if you don't see that so much in him, his religion teaches him that. He will raise his children in that religion, it will be very important for him not to compromise there- no exposing them to both sides of the issues and letting them freely decide about birthdays, holidays, Mother's Day, sports, entertainment, yadda yadda.

  If you think it will all work out, then try to make it all work out now. Be a bigger part of his life, no matter what his family and fellow JW's say. Tell him you aren't interested in becoming a JW, but would love to be on his arm at the Kingdom Hall to meet these people and see what the meeting is all about. See how well that goes. Surely, he would want to have the woman he will marry see that part of his life and surely two people dating for 5 years should be able to sit together and hold hands in "church" and meet people. You can let him a little off the hook and tell him he doesn't have to say to JW's that you two are "engaged" but have been dating for "awhile since High School."

  Let us know how well that goes for you. From that point, maybe you could double-date with some JW's. And certainly, you will want to meet and spend time with his family.
  
  I think the way all that goes down will help you to know what you need to do about this relationship. Good luck.