Posts by OnTheWayOut

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Anyone interested in their ashes on the moon?

by James Mixon in

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for only $12,500.00 your ashes can be put on the moon or $5,000 for a burial in low-earth orbit, where a travel-shampoo-size urn can spin for years at 17,000 mph until it gradually descends into the white-hot re-entry atmosphere.they hope to have a cemetery on the moon complete with plots and ceremonial adornments..just think every time it's a full moon you look up in the sky and you will always see you love one.

a thought, you are resurrected on the moon.....

OnTheWayOut

I want my ashes on "Uranus."

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"For God Loved the World so much that he gave his only Begotten Son in order that ....faith ..not destroyed ..everlasting life.

by smiddy in

or is their an inconsistency / contradiction here somewhere .?

in genesis god allows satan after deceiving the first human pair to go relatively unpunished for thousands of years interacting between heaven and earth at will.. the so called punishment is not to take effect until thousands of years later.. in the meantime .. the wager ( ?

) between jehovah and satan over jobs loyalty in question ,and obviously satan still having communication with god in the heavens.

OnTheWayOut

The JW's actually do a good job of making it almost make sense except for the few big glaring inconsistencies.

It's only been less than "a week" since Adam sinned. Well, really just a day.....it's still God's day of rest and the whole 1975 thing played right into a "7-thousand-years DAY" for Jehovah. But then that didn't happen.

I mean, surely we can expect that God will indulge Satan's accusations for "a day." And somewhere in that day, God already offered Jesus to smooth things out.

What I have learned ever since the writers for the silly 1980's television show DALLAS decided to bring a dead character back by saying an entire season of shows was "just a dream" is that it is all in the writing and then denial of any inconsistencies that makes for the show to go on.

If you offer an explanation, it doesn't have to be a good one. It just has to explain. As silly as "just a dream" was, "overlapping-generation" is way sillier. Yet, the show goes on.

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Marry only in the Lord

by Jules Saturn in

the second half of 1 corinthians 7:39 reads "...she is free to be married to whomever she wants, only in the lord.".

so we all know that scripture for being doctrine for witnesses when they select a marriage mate and how they are strictly encouraged to marry amongst themselves and look down upon or marked if they marry an outsider.

i have a friend who met a worldly man and when it came to light, her father gave her the option to end the relationship or to marry him, and she chose the latter.

OnTheWayOut

I have a friend who met a worldly man and when it came to light, her father gave her the option to end the relationship or to marry him, and she chose the latter.

So this is a mixed up young lady. She had other options, but wanted her father in her life. It worked. He paid the price for choosing to "support" his daughter. That is a good thing. Being removed from being a Ministerial Servant can be a very good thing. GOOOD RIDDANCE! He may have wanted that to happen.

So, unless I knew more about him possibly "forcing" her into a shotgun wedding, good for these people.

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Cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics in social media!

by stuckinarut2 in

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so over the last few years, the witnesses i know (who were close friends in the past) who follow me on instagram social media have been steadily dropping off and blocking me..... but there are a small number who are still friends.. i have noticed one sad situation for one friend who is clearly battling cognitive dissonance.

if she posts a picture and i leave a nice comment on it, my comment quickly disappears.

(she must delete it i guess) but then soon after she sends a nice private message asking how we are, or commenting on the post or activity.

OnTheWayOut

I thought I would hold on to my best friend, as I was there for him when he was disfellowshipped. But as soon as my wife told him I went "inactive," he cut ties with me and basically said that if I ever want to come back in, he will help me. Good riddance.

The only JW's that treat me like a human being beyond family and in-law family are my wife's best friend and her husband.

In your case, I can see how you may really feel for them. They want to be good people but their cult holds them back.

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

OnTheWayOut

Speaking as a former (blinded) believer, the fake partakers answer makes sense and the rank&file will buy it.

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Finds in Jerusalem shore up biblical account of Babylonian conquest (586 BCE date)

by Hecce in

this is a nice article about archaeological finds, what caught my attention is the use of 586 bce as the date for the destruction of jerusalem.. according to biblical descriptions, in 586 bce, the babylonian king nebuchadnezzar vanquished the judaean king zedekiah and razed his capital city, jerusalem.

the babylonian captain of the guard nebuzaradan was dispatched into the city, where, as told in the book of jeremiah, he “burned the house of the lord, and the king’s house; and all the houses of jerusalem, even every great man’s house, burned he with fire.”.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-jerusalem-finds-shore-up-biblical-account-of-babylonian-conquest/.

OnTheWayOut

You guys and all this math. GEEZ!

All you need to know is that 1914 must have been right. World War One started that year. That's all you need to know. Any prior dates were just people running ahead of Jehovah's chariot and any perceived thoughts about 1914 that didn't happen were the fault of followers, not leaders.

If 1914 was right, certainly the math (we don't need to know) must have been right or else they never would have (missed a few times and then) gotten it right.

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Worldly people

by Akid48 in

as i have come to see i have way more friends at school than my kingdom hall but if i get asked about school and i say something about my friends or ask to hang out with my friends to my aunt she gives me a talk about not to like worldly people to much.. for example i ask to go to my friends house (that is a girl)i have known her from 1st grade and my aunt gets mad at me saying what if she says i raped her or something but she lets me go by my self with brothers to hang out if i want but theres a chance i will get raped there to.. read my other posts to understand my story .

akid69.

OnTheWayOut

Speaking from a very religious Christian point of view, they are correct that there are dangers of isolating yourself with a girl. But it's not really accusations of rape- it's the probability that you will violate the religion's rules and do something quite normal with the girl, or at least start down the path of having a normal relationship.

JW's often just try to put a stop at step 1 to such things.

Do yourself some favors while you are working out what to do as a teen trapped by family beliefs: Don't volunteer everything you think and do to your JW family. Find a way to keep it quiet if it will cause problems.
And don't get anyone pregnant. That's huge. I won't try to say "Don't fall in love" or "Don't let passion get in your way in life" because these are normal teen things. You probably won't wind up in a lifelong relationship with your first crush, but don't let a little baby derail you and someone else from higher education, better opportunities in life.

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Family of Jehovah's Witness who died after refusing blood transfusion can't keep suing doctors

by pale.emperor in

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/court_nixes_lawsuit_by_family.html.

the family of a jehovah's witness who died after repeatedly refusing blood transfusions can't sue the hospital where doctors begged for a chance to save her life, a state appeals court ruled.. the case, outlined in an opinion by superior court judge jacqueline o. shogan, involves a convergence of religion, medicine and the law.. its focus is on what happened before terri seels-davila, a jehovah's witness missionary, died after giving birth at hahnemann university hospital in philadelphia in november 2010.. seels-davila, who had been serving on mission with her husband in nicaragua, chose hahnemann because of its "bloodless medicine" program for patients who won't agree to having blood transfusions, including jehovah's witnesses, shogan noted.

the treatment plan for seels-davila called for recycling her own blood back into her system.. yet that proved to be inadequate when complications of her delivery required seels-davila to deliver by cesarean section.

OnTheWayOut

OrphanCrow5 days ago5 days ago

On the WayOut: So, they would have otherwise just let the patient die in a regular hospital setting in some horrible way instead of taking the risks of bloodless delivery ....if they better understood the risks that their expert was going to say were withheld from them.

...ummm, I don't think that is what happened. The father of the woman who died was trying to make the claim that the hospital's "bloodless surgery" program was deficient.

Can you explain what you mean by "the risks of 'bloodless delivery'"? What is bloodless delivery?

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I stand by what I said. You read and dissect like legal counsel. Complications turned it into a need for C-section. If they were not concerned about such a thing, they would not have been found to seek bloodless doctors. Despite their efforts, doctors said blood was needed. I (and you) don't know whether the doctors made errors or not, and maybe the bloodless surgery program was inadequate, but what I said stands- they signed off on the risks which are greater in the situation.

I don't need to know everything to know that these people attempted to appease cult rules and that the doctors probably could have overcome the complications (be they doctor-caused or inevitable) by breaking cult rules.

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Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

by punkofnice in

don't start fighting, darlings.

i am genuinely curious.

after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.

OnTheWayOut

scratchme1010

Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

My two cents: why limiting it to believers? The same question can be asked to any person who has a belief (or non-belief).

Okay. I went to the books and documentaries that discuss the development of the Bible. I read so much until it became clear- the Bible was a great gathering and editing of man-made stories intended originally to unite the various peoples in Babylon that were once ruled by Saul, David, and Solomon. The writers, editors borrowed from other legends and stories from other groups. The "God" of the original writings was a warrior god. "El" was the chief of the Canaanite gods and "Isreal" is based on his name, not on Yahweh which El probably became. No matter how well they edited, the written language skills of these people in Babylon was still primitive and developing and they did not fully remove traces of conflict in their stories and did not eliminate "El" to fully replace him with "Yahweh" whom they morphed into the creator of the entire cosmos. The idea of a single "god" further developed when Cyrus returned the Jews and the priests of the temples became ambassadors to Persia.

Jesus stories are similarly loaded with borrowed thoughts from other legends and god stories from other groups. While the Greek gods seemed to be falling out of favor, the worship of Isis, Dyonysus, Mithras, and various pagan gods was popular. And writing was quite advanced by that time. Expressing faith and reason in writing was all the rage. Still, philosophy heavily included belief in deities as people had not developed ideas that the cosmos could have come about without gods or a single god.

And somehow, against all odds, the Romans chose Christianity instead of other belief systems, as the state religion to unite the various groups they ruled over.

It's a much easier story to understand if we ignore all of the above and we go with the promoted story- Abraham worshiped a God who was known by various names, one group of people went from Abraham to Allah and another went off in captivity to Egypt until that same God of Abraham revealed to Moses that He was to be "Yahweh" (or Jehovah) and immediately told the people in 10 commandments to have "no other gods" before them. That fits so nicely with the idea that Yahweh later sent Jesus.

So there's your answer. How do I know? I did the legwork. If any details are slightly off, the general idea that the stories of the Bible were invented and taken from others and that the writings were about giving people a reason to stick together and be controlled by politicians and priests still remains the constant "truth" of my beliefs.

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My mums dying she refuses blood transfusion...the horror.

by Witness 007 in

mum has a mild form of lukeimia if she took blood like normal people she could live to be 100. but no, anointed sisters dont compromise jehovah wont allow it.

so here i am moving to sydney for one month going to hospital everyday putting my life on hold to watch my mother die slowly.

watching her gasp for air, struggle to breath.

OnTheWayOut

I support people's own decisions to decide that they won't go through medical treatments. But it is sad that we all know your mum isn't deciding this on her own, but is supporting the cult.

My condolences. Say your goodbyes the best you can, assume she won't be able to respond to you by tomorrow.

Strength to you and I wish you good thoughts of her.