Posts by OnTheWayOut

14 pages, wow- this is a charged subject.
Okay, I just red Minimus' original post and haven't read the 14 pages. Let me say my piece and then when I can, I will compare notes.

A man can criticize a woman without being accused of being sexist, or a straight man can criticize a gay man without being accused of hating homosexuals, etc. etc.

.....but you really have to have a fair reputation with the group or individuals involved before you do that. If that group is co-workers or family that knows you, you may well be established as a non-hater or even a supporter of that particular issue, but are critical of something that has nothing to do with that issue.

If you are having an argument on the internet or with strangers or in front of a news camera- FORGET IT!!!! You will be accused.

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Shall I disassociate myself too? I’m the only one left now.

by Theonlyoneleft in

please bear with me as this might be a long one,.

the question above has been circulating my mind for a while and i’ve been wondering if there’s anyone that thought the same or done it.. we normally associate shunning and disassociation with jehovah’s witnesses that are normally baptised, but my situation is a reversed one.. i was a bible student that left a long time ago on my own free will, never shunned never ostracised by my jw’s siblings and their families.

the years have passed and situations have arisen that has made me uncomfortable of the knowledge of particular outcomes within my siblings and families.. i’ve been thinking to stay away from my family( living in a different country ), as i don’t want to be preached on or feel out of touch and segregated by their opinions of me and my family.

OnTheWayOut

I agree with Slimboyfat above. No sense in actually burning the bridge. You can distance yourself from them as you want to, but you just never know what the future may bring. It may be that they have some dire circumstances where they want to turn to you. (Hey, you never know.)

If that never happens, it's pretty much the same result as DA'ing yourself. But if it could happen, they won't turn to you unless that old bridge is still there.

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If You Could Pick Just One Title Of A Song That Would Describe Your Life

by The Bethelite in

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what would it be?.

mine would be "rocket man" by elton john.

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OnTheWayOut

I left a life where I was a young 20's lover of rock n roll to become a JW. Granted, I needed to abandon my partying ways, but I didn't need to give up the music I loved and join a cult. So when I firmly left the JW''s, I went back to the music I gave up.

Back In Black

AC/DC

Back in black
I hit the sack
I've been too long I'm glad to be back
Yes, I'm let loose
From the noose
That's kept me hanging about
I've been looking at the sky
'Cause it's gettin' me high
Forget the hearse 'cause I never die
I got nine lives
Cat's eyes
Abusin' every one of them and running wild

'Cause I'm back
Yes, I'm back
Well, I'm back
Yes, I'm back
Well, I'm back, back
Well, I'm back in black
Yes, I'm back in black

Back in the back
Of a Cadillac
Number one with a bullet, I'm a power pack
Yes, I'm in a bang
With a gang
They've got to catch me if they want me to hang
'Cause I'm back on the track
And I'm beatin' the flack
Nobody's gonna get me on another rap
So look at me now
I'm just makin' my play
Don't try to push your luck, just get out of my way

'Cause I'm back
Yes,…

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Rejecting JW Message is More Important than Success to Keep Them Indoctrinated

by OnTheWayOut in

the recruiting work of jehovah's witnesses has never been very effective.

such low positive results for such great efforts.

but the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so watchtower is not really losing out.i want you to think about the rejection jw's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart.

OnTheWayOut

The recruiting work of Jehovah's Witnesses has never been very effective. Such low positive results for such great efforts. But the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so Watchtower is not really losing out.

I want you to think about the rejection JW's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart. That rejection is way more important than the few people they convert. Rejection and indifference builds up their uncomfortable feeling to be around people outside of the organization. They start to regain their comfort when they gather at Starbucks or Tim Hortons with their "brothers and sisters" after a round of worldly rejections.

If the entire process of recruiting is done properly, they start off with encouraging support at the meeting for service, then the harsh world rejects them quickly and boldly, then they get back together with supportive people who care. They even see each other as returning heroes with tales of how closed-minded those worldly ones were.

Just another pain reward cycle in a mind-control technique common to religions like the JW's. It gets magnified if the JW is sure that Jehovah is pleased with the way they handled the rejection or "won" their little debate session (despite whatever reality there was in who made valid points).

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As A Former JW Are You Patriotic At All?

by minimus in

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jehovah’s witnesses were drilled with the idea that all governments are from satan and that we should have nothing to do with anything involving support of the government, voting, or political talk for one party or another.. now that you are out, is patriotism important to you?

is voting important to you?

are you supportive of your country?.

OnTheWayOut

I am a world citizen, concerned about all people. So no, not really patriotic. Still, I want what is good for the United States- just not at the expense of people elsewhere.

But I will wear red, white, blue stuff and flag stuff. That's because I feel a sense of slapping Watchtower in the face when I do it .

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If you saw a governing body member being pummeled would you help them?

by Tenacious in

before you answer; .

think about how they could care less how many families are broken up just to retain their power.

how they could care less if members are driven to suicide because of the deep programming and severe depression or strained family situations.. how they would rather let members die in order to retain their power and refuse to acknowledge their faulty bible reasoning regarding blood.. i could go on and on and on.

OnTheWayOut

In all honesty, I hope I would help anyone in such a situation. I don't blame people for a different answer though.

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Any Dogs Returning to their Vomit Here?

by Solzhenitsyn in

i was wondering if any long time jw's that are now pomo's here on the forum now act in a leadership role within another religious organization?.

i do and would enjoy a bit of conversation with this (i assume minority) "sub-culture" of ex-jw's.

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OnTheWayOut

So you act in a leadership role in another religious organization, but you admit (in your title anyway) that it is likened to the dog returning to their vomit.

What's up with that?

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Chapter a Day (I will post) from my Sci-Fi novel

by Terry in

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friends

chapter one.

the monorails of mars (1905) ____.

like watchful eyes—the twin moons of mars voyeured above the chaos.

OnTheWayOut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHU5P0WXAqM

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Getting disfellowshipped to marry and return

by confused in

i was just wondering if there is any official rules on dealing with this.

a sister in the congregation is planning to divorce her husband who is also a witness so she can marry a different brother in the same hall!

yes this is a huge scandal!

OnTheWayOut

Snugglebunny on page 1: This happened in the UK some years ago. The fella was a District overseer - I believe his name was Turnbull - and he and his lady love admitted to the DF'ing committee that they knew they'd be DF'd but planned to bide their time, get divorced and then married, then apply for reinstatement.
HO at Mill Hill were obviously involved and their edict to the JC was to stipulate that they would have to wait for 10 years before they could apply for re-admission.

I typed this and it disappeared. I said that a C.O. told elders in the 1990's that people who do such were facing an unwritten, but hard rule to wait 10 years for reinstatement.

While the C.O. didn't say it, it was implied that they could scheme around it and the cheating JW's could break up to look more repentant. They would either get reproved or DF'ed, but would appear to be not in a relationship, then simply wait until after the reinstatement and a couple years before marrying.