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  Did Jesus die on a stake or pole?

  by sweetyj in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we already know how jws will respond ( on a pole).

  but i found an article that talks about jws views on how jesus died.

  i didn't know that there was a time when jws accepted the cross unlike now.

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  Asking "Did Jesus die this way or that way?" stifles the argument that Jesus existed at all.
  You presuppose it isn't all a fairy tale.
  
  "Did the elves approach Santa Claus to make toys or did Santa go to them?"
  
  
  
  
  
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  Why do JWs reject the 587/586 BCE date?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i do not want this to develop into another discussion on "607 bce date is wrong".. when the a-e section of "aid to bible understanding" was published, i was able to show that the article on "chronology" employed deceptive techniques when it cited its sources.

  whenever i provided jws the evidence in print, it was like water off a duck's back.

  "the brothers in brooklyn have done all the research, write to them", they would tell me.. i soon recognised that the jws followed the wts because of who it claimed to be.. it became clear that another, stronger force existed--the impact of shunning with the loss of close friendships and with the impact on their family relationships.. one could only stand by with concern thinking of the impact of the cognitive dissonance and observing the regular changes requiring lock-step obedience.

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  At one time, 1914 was the end of the last days and Armageddon was to arrive. Originally, 1914 was 40 years, the then-current application of a literal 'generation,' past 1874. That was when the last days began until they changed it. They put a lot of effort into changing it, what with re-inventing everything they said.
  
  So with so much invested in 607BCE being used to prove 1914 was 'the beginning' of the last days, of course your average JW won't even be interested in some crazy apostate lies that insist that 607 is wrong. "Watchtower chose it because it was so clearly well-established as fact. They told us so."
  
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  Steven Hassan has a new book...

  by Queequeg in

  1. social
  2. current

  steven hassan's new book..

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  And now this? Trump is using mind control?

  
  I know it's hard to imagine because Trump is such a moron. But so are those of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. It seems that even morons can do the bidding of others smarter than themselves, in the case of the Governing body, those smarter have already passed on.
  
  So I think you should wait for the book before you condemn the very idea.
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  Evolution - A Conversation with Alex Williams

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  alex - thank you for your offer to have a conversation about evolution.. i accept the scientific evidence that all life - including humans - evolved from a common ancestor through unguided evolution over millions of years.

  this isn't even a controversial position in the scientific community.. the evidence rests on the data from many interconnected fields including paleontology, comparative anatomy, geology and especially genetics.

  it is no exaggeration to say that the evidence for your own non-human ancestry is contained in every cell in your body.. it is my experience that jws are generally quite ignorant (not in a pejorative sense) of the scientific case.

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  This is such a nice proper place for such a debate on such a big subject.
  No disrespect to Robert Shapiro, professor emeritus of chemistry at New York University, but he is one person with one point of view that is different from many other point of views on his specific subject.
  
  And as mentioned, evolution and abiogenesis are two different discussions.
  
  Man is in his infancy of understanding the big questions and their answers. The vastness of outer and inner space are just being barely reached. There were so many scientists in the past who swore that it was impossible for so many things to exist or occur- and so many were wrong. But that's okay- we learn and move on.
  
  I stick with something more basic- WE KNOW THE GOD OF THE BIBLE DOESN'T EXIST. So much of science has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the life on this planet is older than the Bible would make it, that it has evolved in a way contrary to the Bible, and that things like the great worldwide flood could not have occurred. Any other "God" has not made it clear that he/she/it does actually exist, so until he/she/it contacts us, we can assume they are not there (or don't want us spending all our time worshiping them).
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  William sisters....what’s that all about?

  by Theonlyoneleft in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok... so the william sisters have in the past spoken openly about their faith by saying they are jehovah witnesses.

  but do they attend regular meetings?

  door to door ministry?

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  Jehovah's Witnesses.
  It's a cult like Scientology, but for famous BLACK people.
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  Why doesn’t the Governing Body hold debates to asses the qualifications of a new GB member?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the members have no idea what qualifies someone has to be a member of the governing body.

  members know absolutely nothing about new members of the governing body who are appointed.

  kenneth cook was the last appointed governing body member in 2018..

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  The GB is not going to tell you or anyone how they pick a new member.

  
  

  jehober picks the gb members. Every jw knows that!
  just saying!

  I gotta echo these thoughts.
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  If You Criticize A Person of Color Are You A Racist?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seriously, it’s getting to a point that you can’t make a negative comment about someone without being charged as a racist, homophobe or sexist!

  if you criticize a female, you are obviously sexist.

  if you criticize someone who happens to be gay, you must hate homosexuals.

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  14 pages, wow- this is a charged subject.
  Okay, I just red Minimus' original post and haven't read the 14 pages. Let me say my piece and then when I can, I will compare notes.

  A man can criticize a woman without being accused of being sexist, or a straight man can criticize a gay man without being accused of hating homosexuals, etc. etc.

  .....but you really have to have a fair reputation with the group or individuals involved before you do that. If that group is co-workers or family that knows you, you may well be established as a non-hater or even a supporter of that particular issue, but are critical of something that has nothing to do with that issue.
  
  If you are having an argument on the internet or with strangers or in front of a news camera- FORGET IT!!!! You will be accused.
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  Shall I disassociate myself too? I’m the only one left now.

  by Theonlyoneleft in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please bear with me as this might be a long one,.

  the question above has been circulating my mind for a while and i’ve been wondering if there’s anyone that thought the same or done it.. we normally associate shunning and disassociation with jehovah’s witnesses that are normally baptised, but my situation is a reversed one.. i was a bible student that left a long time ago on my own free will, never shunned never ostracised by my jw’s siblings and their families.

  the years have passed and situations have arisen that has made me uncomfortable of the knowledge of particular outcomes within my siblings and families.. i’ve been thinking to stay away from my family( living in a different country ), as i don’t want to be preached on or feel out of touch and segregated by their opinions of me and my family.

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  I agree with Slimboyfat above. No sense in actually burning the bridge. You can distance yourself from them as you want to, but you just never know what the future may bring. It may be that they have some dire circumstances where they want to turn to you. (Hey, you never know.)
  
  If that never happens, it's pretty much the same result as DA'ing yourself. But if it could happen, they won't turn to you unless that old bridge is still there.
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  If You Could Pick Just One Title Of A Song That Would Describe Your Life

  by The Bethelite in

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  what would it be?.

  mine would be "rocket man" by elton john.

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  I left a life where I was a young 20's lover of rock n roll to become a JW. Granted, I needed to abandon my partying ways, but I didn't need to give up the music I loved and join a cult. So when I firmly left the JW''s, I went back to the music I gave up.
  

  
  

  Back In Black

  AC/DC

  Back in black
  I hit the sack
  I've been too long I'm glad to be back
  Yes, I'm let loose
  From the noose
  That's kept me hanging about
  I've been looking at the sky
  'Cause it's gettin' me high
  Forget the hearse 'cause I never die
  I got nine lives
  Cat's eyes
  Abusin' every one of them and running wild

  'Cause I'm back
  Yes, I'm back
  Well, I'm back
  Yes, I'm back
  Well, I'm back, back
  Well, I'm back in black
  Yes, I'm back in black

  Back in the back
  Of a Cadillac
  Number one with a bullet, I'm a power pack
  Yes, I'm in a bang
  With a gang
  They've got to catch me if they want me to hang
  'Cause I'm back on the track
  And I'm beatin' the flack
  Nobody's gonna get me on another rap
  So look at me now
  I'm just makin' my play
  Don't try to push your luck, just get out of my way

  'Cause I'm back
  Yes,…
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  Rejecting JW Message is More Important than Success to Keep Them Indoctrinated

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recruiting work of jehovah's witnesses has never been very effective.

  such low positive results for such great efforts.

  but the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so watchtower is not really losing out.i want you to think about the rejection jw's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart.

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  The recruiting work of Jehovah's Witnesses has never been very effective. Such low positive results for such great efforts. But the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so Watchtower is not really losing out.
  
  I want you to think about the rejection JW's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart. That rejection is way more important than the few people they convert. Rejection and indifference builds up their uncomfortable feeling to be around people outside of the organization. They start to regain their comfort when they gather at Starbucks or Tim Hortons with their "brothers and sisters" after a round of worldly rejections.
  
  If the entire process of recruiting is done properly, they start off with encouraging support at the meeting for service, then the harsh world rejects them quickly and boldly, then they get back together with supportive people who care. They even see each other as returning heroes with tales of how closed-minded those worldly ones were.
  
  Just another pain reward cycle in a mind-control technique common to religions like the JW's. It gets magnified if the JW is sure that Jehovah is pleased with the way they handled the rejection or "won" their little debate session (despite whatever reality there was in who made valid points).